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Post by Marcelo on Dec 1, 2023 18:51:34 GMT -5
Santa Victoria Este vs Tolhuin
Santa Victoria Este (Salta Province)
Tolhuin (Tierra del Fuego Province)*
* There are colder settlements, such as Las Cuevas (Mendoza) and Veladero (San Juan), but these aren't actual towns and there is no data for them anyway; Las Cuevas is rather a hamlet, while Veladero is a mining town with no permanent population.
Tolhuin has 9800 inhabitants and Santa Victoria Este has 1800 inhabitants.
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Post by Benfxmth on Dec 1, 2023 18:55:24 GMT -5
The one with mostly orange/red boxes...yeah
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Post by Beercules on Dec 1, 2023 18:56:52 GMT -5
Santa Victoria obviously
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Post by jetshnl on Dec 1, 2023 18:58:21 GMT -5
The warm one easily.
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Post by greysrigging on Dec 1, 2023 18:58:42 GMT -5
"The one with mostly orange/red boxes...yeah" and "Santa Victoria obviously" and "The warm one easily."
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Post by ๐๐ฟMรถrรถn๐๐ฟ on Dec 1, 2023 19:09:14 GMT -5
Tolhuin for me but it wasn't an easy quick choice.
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Post by Steelernation on Dec 1, 2023 19:54:49 GMT -5
Santa Victoria barely. More unpleasant temps but Tolhuin seems boring as all fuck outside of the occasional snow while Santa Victoria looks like it gets lots of storms and some variability in winter.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Dec 1, 2023 20:59:35 GMT -5
They're both far from perfect, but Santa Victoria Este wins for being livable and more comfortable.
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Post by alex992 on Dec 1, 2023 21:24:02 GMT -5
Tolhuin, I guess. I'd be more comfortable there and would at least get snow. Both shitty climates though.
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Post by chesternz on Dec 1, 2023 23:47:09 GMT -5
The warm one LOL. That's a NICE climate, if a bit too dry.
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Post by Cheeseman on Dec 1, 2023 23:57:51 GMT -5
"The one with mostly orange/red boxes...yeah" and "Santa Victoria obviously" and "The warm one easily." Yup. Was an easy choice for me too. That March especially:
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Post by Ariete on Dec 2, 2023 11:03:11 GMT -5
It's so weird seeing the Terra del Fuego so heavily forested, as neither Tolhuin or Ushuaia have a single month above 10C. And Tolhuin has only two above 9C! And they aren't that stunted tiny trees either, but some are rather sizeable.
Anyway, Santa Victoria Este for me.
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Post by kronan2 on Dec 2, 2023 11:18:27 GMT -5
Tolhuin
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Post by MET on Dec 2, 2023 14:28:24 GMT -5
Tolhuin. Cold is easier to deal with than heat in every month imo.
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Post by caspase8 on Dec 2, 2023 20:07:53 GMT -5
It's so weird seeing the Terra del Fuego so heavily forested, as neither Tolhuin or Ushuaia have a single month above 10C. And Tolhuin has only two above 9C! And they aren't that stunted tiny trees either, but some are rather sizeable. Anyway, Santa Victoria Este for me.
I reckon Koppen's tundra definition is almost as flawed as his subtropical one. The 10C warmest month boundary is hundreds of km poleward of the treeline in parts of Canada (around Hudson Bay), and too close to the equator in the southern hemisphere.
I think John F. Griffiths definition of a tundra climate (less than 3 months above 6C) is a more reasonable definition. Tierra del Fuego is no longer in the tundra category, but treeless places around Hudson Bay are.
Anyway for this battle my vote goes to the warmer town.
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Post by cawfeefan on Dec 2, 2023 20:38:51 GMT -5
Santa Victoria Este
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Post by tommyFL on Dec 2, 2023 21:14:18 GMT -5
It's so weird seeing the Terra del Fuego so heavily forested, as neither Tolhuin or Ushuaia have a single month above 10C. And Tolhuin has only two above 9C! And they aren't that stunted tiny trees either, but some are rather sizeable. Anyway, Santa Victoria Este for me. I reckon Koppen's tundra definition is almost as flawed as his subtropical one. The 10C warmest month boundary is hundreds of km poleward of the treeline in parts of Canada (around Hudson Bay), and too close to the equator in the southern hemisphere.
I think John F. Griffiths definition of a tundra climate (less than 3 months above 6C) is a more reasonable definition. Tierra del Fuego is no longer in the tundra category, but treeless places around Hudson Bay are.
Anyway for this battle my vote goes to the warmer town.
Yep, all Koppen definitions based on a single month instead of an entire season (which is almost all of them) is archaic nonsense.
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Post by firebird1988 on Dec 3, 2023 13:22:41 GMT -5
Santa Victoria Este
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Post by Marcelo on Dec 4, 2023 6:20:31 GMT -5
I voted for Tolhuin, but I may be biased by non-climatic traits. At least the town seems to be sheltered from the typical strong winds of those latitudes.
I think there's a single tree species that occurs naturally around Tolhuin, the รฑire or antarctic beech (Nothofagus antarctica). Another species, the lenga beech (Nothofagus pumilio), starts getting common in the wetter and more mountainous south. Both species are deciduous and together conform the bulk of the forests in the interior of the island. There are other 5 tree species in the archipelago, all of them evergreen, which form evergreen or mixed forests along the southern coast.
Not the whole archipelago has forests. The northern (and drier, and windier) part has a steppe biome, with few flag trees. The eastern part of the main island is full of peat bogs, the "Magellanic moorland", although the Staten island does have some miraculously forested spots with guindos or Magellanic beech ( Nothofagus betuloides), even though that place averages like 7.5C in its warmest month. On the other hand, the windward islands in SW Chile are just tundra.
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Post by Speagles84 on Dec 4, 2023 13:20:58 GMT -5
Coldest
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