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Post by Benfxmth on Feb 15, 2024 10:58:54 GMT -5
Um no, this is the one and only AEMET (station ID 6001) site in the case of Tarifa, you yourself posted that record low from 2005 earlier;  And yeah how does that prove anything about the 24hours average Ts? And also if Tarifa went down to -3.3C its highly unlikely Gibraltar was over 0C. The only place in Iberia reliably over 0C is Almeria. Almeria is the best and strongest candidate that covers all indicators of winter mildness Obviously 24-hour hourly/subhourly means are superior to max/min / 2 means, but that's not the point I was making there. I was responding to your posts regarding record lows, and since Monemvasia's POR begins in 2007, I posted 2007-2024 data for Gibraltar and Tarifa in kind, these both have warmer record lows than both Monemvasia and Almeria. As Marcelo mentioned earlier, Gibraltar bottomed out at 1°C during that late Jan 2005 cold snap, data is fairly complete. It's also worth remembering that Gibraltar is on a peninsula (that, along with UHI) makes the climate even more moderated (in regards to winter cold than Tarifa) |
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Post by southathens on Feb 15, 2024 11:21:18 GMT -5
And yeah how does that prove anything about the 24hours average Ts? And also if Tarifa went down to -3.3C its highly unlikely Gibraltar was over 0C. The only place in Iberia reliably over 0C is Almeria. Almeria is the best and strongest candidate that covers all indicators of winter mildness Obviously 24-hour hourly/subhourly means are superior to max/min / 2 means, but that's not the point I was making there. I was responding to your posts regarding record lows, and since Monemvasia's POR begins in 2007, I posted 2007-2024 data for Gibraltar and Tarifa in kind, these both have warmer record lows than both Monemvasia and Almeria. As Marcelo mentioned earlier, Gibraltar bottomed out at 1°C during that late Jan 2005 cold snap, data is fairly complete. It's also worth remembering that Gibraltar is on a peninsula (that, along with UHI) makes the climate even more moderated (in regards to winter cold than Tarifa) But wait Meteoclimat and all these sites are not the official authorities. I have found many inconsistencies from the official data of the national authorities But I am making 2 points here 1. 24hour averages 2. Different type of stations which will inflate average Ts The closest I could reliably find data from the met organization itself is Almeria IFAPA. Despite being a passive station also. Given that we reliably know that Almeria has never dropped below zero. Finally Gibraltar is not ''fairly complete''. I have never seen anything from the Metoffice itself on exhaustive Gibraltar data. Its almost irrelevant what third party sites say. The risk of getting incomplete absolute minimums/ means etc is great when you don't consult directly the national authority and rely on third party sites. Btw have you seen Monemvasia? Its nickname is ''Gibraltar of the East''. Its has exactly the same geography. Also located in a peninsula connected with a tombolo. |
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Post by southathens on Feb 15, 2024 11:29:32 GMT -5
Oh and give me a link for this 1C in Gibraltar. I mean do we have it from the MetOffice?
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Post by southathens on Feb 15, 2024 11:39:30 GMT -5
And yeah how does that prove anything about the 24hours average Ts? And also if Tarifa went down to -3.3C its highly unlikely Gibraltar was over 0C. The only place in Iberia reliably over 0C is Almeria. Almeria is the best and strongest candidate that covers all indicators of winter mildness Obviously 24-hour hourly/subhourly means are superior to max/min / 2 means, but that's not the point I was making there. I was responding to your posts regarding record lows, and since Monemvasia's POR begins in 2007, I posted 2007-2024 data for Gibraltar and Tarifa in kind, these both have warmer record lows than both Monemvasia and Almeria. As Marcelo mentioned earlier, Gibraltar bottomed out at 1°C during that late Jan 2005 cold snap, data is fairly complete. It's also worth remembering that Gibraltar is on a peninsula (that, along with UHI) makes the climate even more moderated (in regards to winter cold than Tarifa) For example see here an inconsistency it terms of January. Meteoclimat has abs max as 23.4C when its 22.4C according to AEMET.   |
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Post by tompas on Feb 15, 2024 12:12:09 GMT -5
Monemvasia for more rain.
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Post by CRISPR on Feb 15, 2024 14:19:41 GMT -5
Monemvasia- worse temps, but much better rainfall gets my vote.
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Post by southathens on Feb 17, 2024 3:19:11 GMT -5
Monemvasia- worse temps, but much better rainfall gets my vote. Why are Monemvasia's temps worse? |
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Post by Beercules on Feb 17, 2024 4:14:04 GMT -5
Another Greek dick swinging fest.
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Post by southathens on Feb 20, 2024 12:54:59 GMT -5
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 20, 2024 17:13:26 GMT -5
Id like to hear about the weather where you live not some random place with boteved averages
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Post by southathens on Feb 21, 2024 18:03:08 GMT -5
Which goes to show how clueless you are. We are talking about a fan aspirated WMO station with very good placement on the ground as per all WMO standards. If anything its averages are underreporting or are negatively biased compared to all previously discussed passive stations which inflate maximums when compared to mechanical aspiration stations. Post again when u graduate from elementary school bitch. |
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 21, 2024 18:09:38 GMT -5
Which goes to show how clueless you are. We are talking about a fan aspirated WMO station with very good placement on the ground as per all WMO standards. If anything its averages are underreporting or are negatively biased when compared to all previously discussed passive stations which inflate maximums when compared to mechanical aspiration stations. Post again when u graduate from elementary school. 2007-2024 that’s all I’ll say |
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Post by southathens on Feb 21, 2024 18:11:09 GMT -5
Which goes to show how clueless you are. We are talking about a fan aspirated WMO station with very good placement on the ground as per all WMO standards. If anything its averages are underreporting or are negatively biased when compared to all previously discussed passive stations which inflate maximums when compared to mechanical aspiration stations. Post again when u graduate from elementary school. 2007-2024 that’s all I’ll say And the comparison with IFAPA Almeria was for the same period. Read first the topic and then post. |
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 21, 2024 18:12:05 GMT -5
And the comparison with IFAPA Almeria was for the same period. Read fist the topic and then post. Yeah both are boteved. Show every station in Europe within 1 or 2 c for that period and get back to me |
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Post by southathens on Feb 21, 2024 18:15:39 GMT -5
And the comparison with IFAPA Almeria was for the same period. Read fist the topic and then post. Yeah both are boteved. Show every station in Europe within 1 or 2 c for that period and get back to me Yeah bitch find me reliable first hand accounts of these stations from their respective met authorities and then get back to me. I did a head on comparison from data directly from the organizations for both stations. Not random third party BS websites. |
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 21, 2024 18:51:17 GMT -5
Yeah bitch find me reliable first hand accounts of these stations from their respective met authorities and then get back to me. I did a head on comparison from data directly from the organizations for both stations. Not random third party BS websites. Ok well if there’s no reliable data then you can’t make a comparison as there’s very different pors |
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Post by southathens on Feb 21, 2024 20:01:25 GMT -5
Yeah bitch find me reliable first hand accounts of these stations from their respective met authorities and then get back to me. I did a head on comparison from data directly from the organizations for both stations. Not random third party BS websites. Ok well if there’s no reliable data then you can’t make a comparison as there’s very different pors It's as close as we will get from reliable and verifiable first hand data on met stations in mainland Europe. We go by with what we have. Strictly speaking there might be slightly milder areas than Almeria or Monemvasia both in mainland Spain or mainland Greece. I am excluding Italy since Sicily does not count as mailand and haven't seen anything worthwhile from Portugal. |
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 21, 2024 21:32:07 GMT -5
It's as close as we will get from reliable and verifiable first hand data on met stations in mainland Europe. We go by with what we have. Strictly speaking there might be slightly milder areas than Almeria or Monemvasia both in mainland Spain or mainland Greece. I am excluding Italy since Sicily does not count as mailand and haven't seen anything worthwhile from Portugal. Still not good for a real comparison. Anyway what’s the weather like where you live? |
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