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Post by southathens on Mar 12, 2024 15:31:20 GMT -5
probably too close to the ground, making diurnal variation too large. I could see it averaging 99ºF/68ºF, not 104ºF/64ºF, in July. Oh on that point. It's a Valley and the station is placed like exactly over the Evrotas River. Sparta behaves the same. Check its minimums. I think it's normal that this location further inland, practically next to the river will have much more significant T inversions.  |
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Post by Beercules on Mar 12, 2024 18:38:27 GMT -5
Are we all just gonna ignore the 2020-2024 POR? 🤣 Dude let's focus on the fact that we have a good indication that the Evrotas Valley does not exhaust the summer heat dynamic in Sparta proper but way north. That's why I posted the data. Obviously a 4 year POR means nothing when compared to 30 years but its enough evidence, even if it overestimates due to been a passive station, that there are hotter areas than Sparta in the Valley. Exactly where we had predicted they would be. Immediately North and further inland closer to Taygetus and Parnon mountains. Yeah a nonstandard station being in a small sinkhole sitting ontop of rocks and gravel surrounded by more rocks and gravel at sensor height overtopped by dry vegetation under a concrete and steel bridge next to a gravel road will do that  |
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Post by Metsfan257 on Mar 12, 2024 18:48:00 GMT -5
probably too close to the ground, making diurnal variation too large. I could see it averaging 99ºF/68ºF, not 104ºF/64ºF, in July. Oh on that point. It's a Valley and the station is placed like exactly over the Evrotas River. Sparta behaves the same. Check its minimums. I think it's normal that this location further inland, practically next to the river will have much more significant T inversions. The station is placed exactly over the river as you say, which should technically temper both the highs and the lows. Benfxmth runs a weather station that is placed right near a river, and the river lowers the diurnal variation to a great extent.
Sure, inversions can also be more likely at the valley location, but the river should still temper diurnals. River valleys aren't exactly the ideal places for frost hollows.
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Post by southathens on Mar 12, 2024 19:35:26 GMT -5
Oh on that point. It's a Valley and the station is placed like exactly over the Evrotas River. Sparta behaves the same. Check its minimums. I think it's normal that this location further inland, practically next to the river will have much more significant T inversions. The station is placed exactly over the river as you say, which should technically temper both the highs and the lows. Benfxmth runs a weather station that is placed right near a river, and the river lowers the diurnal variation to a great extent.
Sure, inversions can also be more likely at the valley location, but the river should still temper diurnals. River valleys aren't exactly the ideal places for frost hollows.
Specifically for the lows though the river breezes/ cold air current would give lower minimums. Especially if you are exactly over the river. |
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Post by Benfxmth on Mar 12, 2024 19:37:47 GMT -5
The station is placed exactly over the river as you say, which should technically temper both the highs and the lows. Benfxmth runs a weather station that is placed right near a river, and the river lowers the diurnal variation to a great extent.
Sure, inversions can also be more likely at the valley location, but the river should still temper diurnals. River valleys aren't exactly the ideal places for frost hollows.
Specifically for the lows though the river breezes/ cold air current would give lower minimums. Especially if you are exactly over the river. No, if water is similar or warmer temp than daily mean air temp, it would warm nighttime temps much more than cool daytime temps, assuming that body of water is significant enough to moderate air temps to a significant degree in the first place. |
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Post by southathens on Mar 12, 2024 20:12:41 GMT -5
Specifically for the lows though the river breezes/ cold air current would give lower minimums. Especially if you are exactly over the river. No, if water is similar or warmer temp than daily mean air temp, it would warm nighttime temps much more than cool daytime temps, assuming that body of water is significant enough to moderate air temps to a significant degree in the first place. Yes it would cool down Ts for the most part of the year. We are talking south Europe here. For the winter minimums see the valley effect and its position more inland than Sparta. |
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Post by southathens on Mar 12, 2024 20:22:31 GMT -5
Dude let's focus on the fact that we have a good indication that the Evrotas Valley does not exhaust the summer heat dynamic in Sparta proper but way north. That's why I posted the data. Obviously a 4 year POR means nothing when compared to 30 years but its enough evidence, even if it overestimates due to been a passive station, that there are hotter areas than Sparta in the Valley. Exactly where we had predicted they would be. Immediately North and further inland closer to Taygetus and Parnon mountains. Yeah a nonstandard station being in a small sinkhole sitting ontop of rocks and gravel surrounded by more rocks and gravel at sensor height overtopped by dry vegetation under a concrete and steel bridge next to a gravel road will do that Spot on! Its so inland this location much more affected by the fohn winds that we get a good glimpse of how hotter than Sparta it can be over in the depths of the Evrotas valley. |
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Post by southathens on Mar 16, 2024 22:00:23 GMT -5
Below a rough map of how the Evrotas Valley is affected by the foehn winds from the huge mountains surrounding it. Especially during the summer that we get the infamous N Meltemi winds in Greece.  |
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Post by Beercules on Mar 17, 2024 3:33:13 GMT -5
Hi southathens , my local paper, The Renmarkian, wants to write up a piece on the climate of Greece, and various climatic nuances of places like the Evrotas Valley. Do you have anything more to add to the subject? |
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Post by southathens on Mar 17, 2024 3:45:28 GMT -5
Hi southathens , my local paper, The Renmarkian, wants to write up a piece on the climate of Greece, and various climatic nuances of places like the Evrotas Valley. Do you have anything more to add to the subject?Have them also put a small note that I suck dicks for free. Only straight men need apply. |
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Post by Beercules on Mar 17, 2024 4:01:54 GMT -5
Hi southathens , my local paper, The Renmarkian, wants to write up a piece on the climate of Greece, and various climatic nuances of places like the Evrotas Valley. Do you have anything more to add to the subject?Have them also put a small note that I suck dicks for free. Only straight men need apply. Okay, will do. |
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Post by southathens on Mar 20, 2024 0:33:37 GMT -5
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Post by southathens on Mar 24, 2024 20:31:26 GMT -5
A list of the highest Ts ever observed in the Evrotas Valley.  |
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