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Post by southathens on Apr 7, 2024 16:41:53 GMT -5
Less than 1km off the administrative limits of the Athens Riviera, Nea Smyrni is the mildest WMO station in Metropolitan Athens in terms of average annual Ts with 20.4C for 13 years of data. It has a BSh hot semi-arid climate (like most of the Athens Riviera), falls at 10b plant hardiness zone and pretty mild winters by Athenian standards. It's a solid B for me. It would get an A but summer maxes due to the proximity to the sea are lower than what I like.  |
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Post by Benfxmth on Apr 7, 2024 16:44:02 GMT -5
B for boteved
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Post by southathens on Apr 7, 2024 16:45:07 GMT -5
WMO station that belongs to the National Observatory of Athens cry me a river |
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Post by tommyFL on Apr 7, 2024 16:51:40 GMT -5
If you're using the term "WMO station" to somehow refer to the quality or representativeness of a station, there's a pretty good chance you have no clue what you're talking about. Whether a station is in the WMO OSCAR database of surface stations has no implication on whether the data from the station is accurate. There are 5 classes for temperature measurement, ranging from excellent to completely dogshit (which is most of the NOA stations apparently):    |
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Post by southathens on Apr 7, 2024 16:57:17 GMT -5
(which is most of the NOA stations apparently) Which shows how clueless you are when it comes to NOA. Its a fan aspirated station! Way way more accurate than any of the passive bs stations most national met offices use Here a relevant post on Kastellorizo cdweather.boards.net/post/265701/threadPay particular attention to this bit below |
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Post by tommyFL on Apr 7, 2024 17:04:08 GMT -5
You're clearly not getting it and I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion, but you seem to be conflating radiation error with poor station siting. Even if you had a radiation shield with zero error relative to the true air temp, locating it in a unrepresentatively warm location like a concrete rooftop or too close to trees would still provide data with very limited usefulness.
Radiation shield design can't change the actual air temperature and that is what you need to grasp.
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Post by southathens on Apr 7, 2024 17:08:04 GMT -5
You're clearly not getting it and I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion, but you seem to be conflating radiation error with poor station siting. Even if you had a radiation shield with zero error relative to the true air temp, locating it in a unrepresentatively warm location like a concrete rooftop or too close to trees would still provide data with very limited usefulness. Radiation shield design can't change the actual air temperature and that is what you need to grasp. As long as fan aspiration works good fan aspirated stations fuck the hell up any T biases compared to SS or any other passive stations. Check the links on my linked post. Simply the golden standard in modern met when we examine urban locations. |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 7, 2024 17:16:50 GMT -5
Golden shower standard.
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Post by southathens on Apr 7, 2024 21:46:53 GMT -5
Palaio Faliro WMO station much closer to the sea, also placed at an urban environment in the Athens Riviera. Among the hottest WMO stations of Metropolitan Athens in terms of average annual Ts. Standing at 20.1C currently. Similar POR with Nea Smyrni.  |
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Post by Beercules on Apr 7, 2024 22:02:13 GMT -5
how much botev boasting bould a botev boast if a botev could botev boast?
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Post by tommyFL on Apr 7, 2024 22:13:14 GMT -5
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Post by jgtheone on Apr 7, 2024 22:37:38 GMT -5
ALDI rooftop station with 8 year POR jajajajajaja
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Post by southathens on Apr 8, 2024 1:09:59 GMT -5
Yes!!! In the ''green'' rooftop. The ''Green Terrace'' is a successful project of the 4th Experimental Elementary school of Nea Smyrni. Basically a big lush garden in the rooftop of the school. 4dimnsmyrn.blogspot.com/2019/04/blog-post_11.htmlSmart move to place the station in a huge rooftop garden. It should minimize the UHI of the extremely urbanized surrounding.    |
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Post by southathens on Apr 8, 2024 1:22:01 GMT -5
ALDI rooftop station with 8 year POR jajajajajaja 13 years and its a fan aspirated station placed at the above lush rooftop garden. Basically beats the shit out of any passive SS in terms of accuracy if you ask me. |
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Post by Beercules on Apr 8, 2024 1:32:50 GMT -5
bet it's picking up the greenhouse effect from under that verandah
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Post by southathens on Apr 8, 2024 1:37:02 GMT -5
bet it's picking up the greenhouse effect from under that verandah bet you have nightmares with Greece's hotspots that destroy your aussie sweetheart locations. |
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Post by greysrigging on Apr 8, 2024 1:56:10 GMT -5
Mate... can ya just, if its humanly possible, give us some data from one of these ? Fair dinkum, how hard is it ?  |
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Post by southathens on Apr 8, 2024 2:07:33 GMT -5
Mate... can ya just, if its humanly possible, give us some data from one of these ? Fair dinkum, how hard is it ? Mate read my previous post with the links and the head on comparisons of passive stations with fan aspirated stations. Also below is an older comparison between the rooftop fan aspirated station and the SS station in Rhodes. In fact if memory serves me well I run the comparison at your request but you never bothered to reply: cdweather.boards.net/post/236291/thread |
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Post by greysrigging on Apr 8, 2024 2:21:27 GMT -5
Again, just use one of these and it will shut everyone up, dontcha think ? |
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Post by southathens on Apr 8, 2024 2:28:03 GMT -5
Again, just use one of these and it will shut everyone up, dontcha think ? Again Athens is a 5 million city. Its irrelevant what for example the downtown Athens station climate looks like. If we had a SS in Nea Smyrni I would gladly share any data. But we dont have anything in Nea Smyrni apart from the NOA station. Athens has a very complex orography. 5 mountains surrounding the Metropolitan area, big elevation differences, countless hills. One of the most complex areas in the world climatologically speaking. Especially for its size. |
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