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Post by Steelernation on Apr 12, 2024 17:27:43 GMT -5
So why not call it subcontinental as opposed to subtropical ? Seems like frost and snow has substantially more to do with çontinentality than the Tropics ? As in I don't see too many swaying palms and flowering Jacaranda trees in those snowy pics of Wilmington... just sayin'....  Subcontinental doesn’t seem right given how most years don’t get any snow. Maybe we should ditch the subtropical label altogether as it throws people off, just like Mediterranean. Maybe just temperate or something like that to encompass places between Continental and tropical. |
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Post by greysrigging on Apr 12, 2024 20:43:20 GMT -5
So why not call it subcontinental as opposed to subtropical ? Seems like frost and snow has substantially more to do with çontinentality than the Tropics ? As in I don't see too many swaying palms and flowering Jacaranda trees in those snowy pics of Wilmington... just sayin'.... Subcontinental doesn’t seem right given how most years don’t get any snow. Maybe we should ditch the subtropical label altogether as it throws people off, just like Mediterranean. Maybe just temperate or something like that to encompass places between Continental and tropical. Look, I concede I come at this subject from a SH perspective.... we simply don't have NH continental type climates or indeed the heat and humidity/ chilly winters of the SE USA and China. I contend that subtropicallity is more about warmth than cold, and by warmth I mean almost all of the year. I look firstly at the 5 coolest month means, then the 3 winter months means. The other 7 months of the year, being warm is a given ( unless its Melbourne or Renmark ). For me its the cooler months of the year that are the true indicator of the subtropics. And for the record, the odd frost or 3 can still happen, hell even a once in a generation snow flurry aka Houston, which is subtropical in my view of these things, despite the odd 'blue norther' and record extremes. Houston coldest months means: Nov - 16.7c Dec - 13.0c Jan - 12.1c Feb - 14.2c Mar - 17.7c 5 coldest months = 14.7c 3 coldest months = 13.1c Wilmington coldest month means; Nov - 13.4c Dec - 9.8c Jan - 8.2c Feb - 9.6c Mar - 12.9c 5 coldest months = 10.8c 3 coldest months = 9.0c West Wyalong coldest month means: May - 12.8c Jun - 9.6c Jul - 8.6c Aug - 10.0c Sep - 12.9c 5 coldest months = 10.8c 3 coldest months = 9.4c Melbourne ( AU ) coldest month means: May - 13.7c Jun - 11.7c Jul - 11.0c Aug - 11.9c Sep - 13.8c 5 coldest months = 12.4c 3 coldest months = 11.5c |
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Post by giannini10 on Apr 13, 2024 15:22:33 GMT -5
The adoption of any type of climate classification as some sort of standard has surely destroyed the critical thinking ability of many. Subtropical should be near-tropical with tropical-like patterns for a large portion of the year, not just a warmer version of the same exact continental climate found all the way up the east coast of North America. There is no critical thinking involved in this analysis - you’re seeing the word “tropical” and the rest of your brain is shutting down. Wilmington definitely has tropical-like patterns and flora, fauna, and temperatures that distinguish it from any continental city, like Chicago or Minneapolis or even Boston. You can’t limit a subtropical classification to being “almost tropical”. Then there’s no use for it. The climate you’re describing would be a tropical climate, not a subtropical climate. No one should be fucking claiming that the entire eastern US above Florida has a continental climate. I’m sick and tired of that bullshit. You are fucking delusional. |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Apr 13, 2024 15:48:08 GMT -5
The adoption of any type of climate classification as some sort of standard has surely destroyed the critical thinking ability of many. Subtropical should be near-tropical with tropical-like patterns for a large portion of the year, not just a warmer version of the same exact continental climate found all the way up the east coast of North America. There is no critical thinking involved in this analysis - you’re seeing the word “tropical” and the rest of your brain is shutting down. Wilmington definitely has tropical-like patterns and flora, fauna, and temperatures that distinguish it from any continental city, like Chicago or Minneapolis or even Boston. You can’t limit a subtropical classification to being “almost tropical”. Then there’s no use for it. The climate you’re describing would be a tropical climate, not a subtropical climate. No one should be fucking claiming that the entire eastern US above Florida has a continental climate. I’m sick and tired of that bullshit. You are fucking delusional. You're just jealous of Florida! Admit it! |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 13, 2024 15:54:23 GMT -5
There is no critical thinking involved in this analysis - you’re seeing the word “tropical” and the rest of your brain is shutting down. Wilmington definitely has tropical-like patterns and flora, fauna, and temperatures that distinguish it from any continental city, like Chicago or Minneapolis or even Boston. You can’t limit a subtropical classification to being “almost tropical”. Then there’s no use for it. The climate you’re describing would be a tropical climate, not a subtropical climate. No one should be fucking claiming that the entire eastern US above Florida has a continental climate. I’m sick and tired of that bullshit. You are fucking delusional.
Death to America!
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Post by giannini10 on Apr 13, 2024 23:01:08 GMT -5
There is no critical thinking involved in this analysis - you’re seeing the word “tropical” and the rest of your brain is shutting down. Wilmington definitely has tropical-like patterns and flora, fauna, and temperatures that distinguish it from any continental city, like Chicago or Minneapolis or even Boston. You can’t limit a subtropical classification to being “almost tropical”. Then there’s no use for it. The climate you’re describing would be a tropical climate, not a subtropical climate. No one should be fucking claiming that the entire eastern US above Florida has a continental climate. I’m sick and tired of that bullshit. You are fucking delusional. You're just jealous of Florida! Admit it! No, because I can admit that part of Florida is Tropical according to Koppen and the rest of it is very close |
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Post by giannini10 on Apr 13, 2024 23:01:38 GMT -5
There is no critical thinking involved in this analysis - you’re seeing the word “tropical” and the rest of your brain is shutting down. Wilmington definitely has tropical-like patterns and flora, fauna, and temperatures that distinguish it from any continental city, like Chicago or Minneapolis or even Boston. You can’t limit a subtropical classification to being “almost tropical”. Then there’s no use for it. The climate you’re describing would be a tropical climate, not a subtropical climate. No one should be fucking claiming that the entire eastern US above Florida has a continental climate. I’m sick and tired of that bullshit. You are fucking delusional.
Death to America!
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Post by caspase8 on Apr 14, 2024 4:09:20 GMT -5
I reckon both are subtropical. They both meet my personal threshold: the coolest month is 6C-17C and the annual average temperature is at least 16C. Although, I consider that more of a guide than a rigid definition.
It's funny that people on weather forums love debating the definition of subtropical. We almost never get such passionate and long-winded debates about subpolar or tropical climates lol.
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