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Post by psychedamike24 on May 8, 2024 23:21:07 GMT -5
10c mean in the coolest month is not subtropical. Subtropical must feel warm year round with a hot summer as opposed to tropical which must be hot year round. In addition to this vegetation must appear at least to be partly tropical. I would say minimum winter mean temp for subtropical is 15c. The NE US is far away from being subtropical lmao As GeoDiode said in his video that I linked, a mean of 10 C in the coldest month implies average daytime highs of around 15 C. This definitely holds for the SanFran Bay Area and Austin TX. |
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Post by Steelernation on May 8, 2024 23:27:05 GMT -5
10c mean in the coolest month is not subtropical. Subtropical must feel warm year round with a hot summer as opposed to tropical which must be hot year round. In addition to this vegetation must appear at least to be partly tropical. I would say minimum winter mean temp for subtropical is 15c. The NE US is far away from being subtropical lmao If tropical is 18 c than whats the point? No use for a climate type with a 3 c range in temps. |
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Post by arcleo on May 9, 2024 1:07:54 GMT -5
8 months above 12c. This roughly corresponds to about 35 N/S latitude at sea level, where I would consider the subtropics to start, considering the tropics are at ~23.5 N/S. Also a rough dividing line between Mediterranean and arid climates, showing the year-round influence of the subtropical ridge at these latitudes. And winter would be the more important season even though summer is also considered.
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Post by Yahya Sinwar on May 9, 2024 1:11:22 GMT -5
Easily 5C+ for all months, zone 8a+ also, anyone who goes to places like Myrtle Beach, Raleigh, Savannah, etc. and claims its not subtropical is absolutely delusional Myrtle Beach:  Raleigh:  Savannah:   MKay.....  10c+ in all months is about right. That is not Raleigh, that is downtown Durham lol |
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Post by greysrigging on May 9, 2024 3:03:14 GMT -5
10c mean in the coolest month is not subtropical. Subtropical must feel warm year round with a hot summer as opposed to tropical which must be hot year round. In addition to this vegetation must appear at least to be partly tropical. I would say minimum winter mean temp for subtropical is 15c. The NE US is far away from being subtropical lmao If tropical is 18 c than whats the point? No use for a climate type with a 3 c range in temps. Which is why 10c makes sense... |
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Post by srfoskey on May 9, 2024 15:23:14 GMT -5
I like a mean of 7.5C in the coldest month as the cutoff. That splits the current Cfa zone into two equal halves, and is close to the median annual snowfall>0 dividing line. It winds up being near or just north of I-20 in much of the US. I'm not quite sure where the 7.5C line is in China, but I would imagine it is also near the median annual snowfall>0 line.
I would call places with mean coldest month temp between -3 and 7.5C and mean hottest month temp above 22C as hot summer temperate, and those with a mean hottest month below 22C as oceanic.
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Post by irlinit on May 10, 2024 1:46:10 GMT -5
10c mean in the coolest month is not subtropical. Subtropical must feel warm year round with a hot summer as opposed to tropical which must be hot year round. In addition to this vegetation must appear at least to be partly tropical. I would say minimum winter mean temp for subtropical is 15c. The NE US is far away from being subtropical lmao If tropical is 18 c than whats the point? No use for a climate type with a 3 c range in temps. Maybe, but then I'd argue 18C is too cool for tropical and it should be more like 20c. A mean of 15C in the coldest month would probably imply a high/low of 20/10C or 18/12C. Hardly very warm but still warm enough to support most tropical plants but with a distinct cool season. It would still feel very different to say Singapore which is hot year round. |
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Post by greysrigging on May 10, 2024 3:00:32 GMT -5
If tropical is 18 c than whats the point? No use for a climate type with a 3 c range in temps. Maybe, but then I'd argue 18C is too cool for tropical and it should be more like 20c. A mean of 15C in the coldest month would probably imply a high/low of 20/10C or 18/12C. Hardly very warm but still warm enough to support most tropical plants but with a distinct cool season. It would still feel very different to say Singapore which is hot year round. But a mean of 20c in all months would disqualify a shitload of tropical ( lite ) climates on the east coast of AU that are hundreds of miles above the Tropic Of Capricorn. I think 18c is about right 18c mean in the coldest months places actually 'look' tropical ( as in vegetation, architecture , social lifestyle etc ) And personally i differentiate between tropical and equatorial climates ie equatorial Singapore |
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Post by irlinit on May 10, 2024 11:11:11 GMT -5
Maybe, but then I'd argue 18C is too cool for tropical and it should be more like 20c. A mean of 15C in the coldest month would probably imply a high/low of 20/10C or 18/12C. Hardly very warm but still warm enough to support most tropical plants but with a distinct cool season. It would still feel very different to say Singapore which is hot year round. But a mean of 20c in all months would disqualify a shitload of tropical ( lite ) climates on the east coast of AU that are hundreds of miles above the Tropic Of Capricorn. I think 18c is about right  18c mean in the coldest months places actually 'look' tropical ( as in vegetation, architecture , social lifestyle etc ) And personally i differentiate between tropical and equatorial climates ie equatorial Singapore To be honest I think a lot more matters than the temperature - Australian climates, even the cooler ones rarely get very cold and have a low deviation when it comes to colder temps when compared with getting much higher than average. I'd class the east coast Aus climates as tropical/subtropical for that reason - I just think anywhere that is regularly getting frost/freezing temps doesn't really feel subtropical. |
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10c+ in all months is about right.