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Post by Benfxmth on Sept 30, 2024 8:00:30 GMT -5
In your climate, which do you believe/find is more important to the feeling/perception of anomalous warmth (or anomalous cold)?
For example, in a warmer than normal month, if highs are more anomalously warm than lows, does that feel warmer than a month that's less anomalously warm during the day but sees more anomalously warm lows, or vice versa; or, in a colder than normal month, does it feel colder when lows are more below average or vice versa?
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Post by Steelernation on Sept 30, 2024 11:05:30 GMT -5
Good thread idea.
Anomalous cold highs by far for me.
Cold highs feel very different from average highs due to most of the day when Iβm awake being much cooler. Anomalously warm highs would be too but upward variation is much lower than downward variation here so itβs a distant second. Anomalous lows arenβt really noticeable either way.
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Post by Shaheen Hassan on Sept 30, 2024 11:24:16 GMT -5
Warmer than normal daily lowsΨ and cooler than normal daily highs
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Post by tompas on Sept 30, 2024 16:19:42 GMT -5
What's more important to me are the warmer than normal highs in summer and the colder than normal lows in winter.
I love seeing a much above average high in the summer. But in winter, the real excitement comes from a much colder than normal daily low.
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Post by divisionbyzero0 on Nov 21, 2024 22:04:14 GMT -5
Cooler than normal daily lows are interesting, especially cool anomalies in low latitude/low elevation climates in their technical winter/dry season.
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Post by tommyFL on Nov 21, 2024 22:12:42 GMT -5
Lows for both cases, because they're more of an indicator of pure heat (wet bulb temp) than max temps are. Fake "cool" max temps caused by cloud cover don't create the feeling of cool weather to me, since the max temps would most likely be within the range of normal daily temperatures anyway. Whereas cool lows are outside that expected range and actually feel cool.
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Post by cawfeefan on Nov 22, 2024 2:09:49 GMT -5
Daily highs for both directions, especially in the warmer months where we have large day to day variation in highs. Our lows are comparatively more stable.
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Post by greysrigging on Nov 22, 2024 4:41:21 GMT -5
All of the options... I don't discriminate... all anomalies interest me... and especially so in a climate that has minimal variation...
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Post by Benfxmth on Nov 22, 2024 6:55:42 GMT -5
Lows in both cases are more critical than highs.
On one hand, warm/hot lows actually make it feel like summer and are a better indicator of higher wet-bulb temps (i.e. higher dewpoints and daily means) even if the daily highs aren't impressive, on the other, colder than normal lows are more of an indication of temps that actually are cool or cold rather than daytime temps held down purely by precip.
This is especially true in places where standard deviation isn't very high, i.e. where temp anomolies are driven more by cloud cover and mesoscale events rather than synoptic-scale (cold/warm fronts) events.
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Post by Kaleetan on Nov 22, 2024 9:45:14 GMT -5
I'm with Ben and Tommy. Lows matter more because of the reasons stated above. Fun fact: climate change is warming lows and dews faster than it is warming highs in WI.
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Post by Benfxmth on Nov 22, 2024 9:48:22 GMT -5
I'm with Ben and Tommy. Lows matter more because of the reasons stated above. Fun fact: climate change is warming lows and dews faster than it is warming highs in WI. That is quite true for the majority of the world as well. A lot of people focus on the extreme daily maxima (which have been decreasing in the Midwest due to intensive agriculture and irrigation but at the same time increasing dewpoints for example) but daily minima temps are warming faster than daily maxima. |
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Post by fairweatherfan on Nov 22, 2024 17:57:52 GMT -5
Warm highs and cold lows
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Post by greysrigging on Nov 22, 2024 18:45:50 GMT -5
I'm with Ben and Tommy. Lows matter more because of the reasons stated above. Fun fact: climate change is warming lows and dews faster than it is warming highs in WI. It's the opposite in Darwin... our mean max temps have increased substantially since the 1940's, whereas the mean mins have only slightly increased comparatively. Annual means 1941-1970 = 23.0c/31.8c Annual means 1961-1990 = 23.0c/32.0c Annual means 1991-2020 = 23.3c/32.4c and the last 20 years 2005-2024 = 23.4c/32.7c and the last 10 years 2015-2024 = 23.7c/32.9c |
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Post by Shaheen Hassan on Nov 22, 2024 19:01:40 GMT -5
I'm with Ben and Tommy. Lows matter more because of the reasons stated above. Fun fact: climate change is warming lows and dews faster than it is warming highs in WI. It's the opposite in Darwin... our mean max temps have increased substantially since the 1940's, whereas the mean mins have only slightly increased comparatively. Annual means 1941-1970 = 23.0c/31.8c Annual means 1961-1990 = 23.0c/32.0c Annual means 1991-2020 = 23.3c/32.4c and the last 20 years 2005-2024 = 23.4c/32.7c and the last 10 years 2015-2024 = 23.7c/32.9c I don't like where this trend is going. After a few decades we will have the 2055-2064 as 25.3/33.9Β°C. Assuming worse-case scenario (not very likely but non-zero chance) we will have the 2071-2100 as 26.1/34.5Β°C. |
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Post by Shaheen Hassan on Nov 22, 2024 19:03:20 GMT -5
Assuming current trends, our region would be completely uninhabitable by 2100 for 5 months of the year.
Hope the trends miraculously reverse sometime in the future.
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Post by srfoskey on Nov 23, 2024 17:05:06 GMT -5
Highs feel more important to me because I am outside more in the day as compared to at night. I think cold highs due to clouds feel cold because not only is it cold, but there is also no direct sunshine to warm you up. It doesn't matter if the high would be normal if it was sunny that day, because I am feeling the weather as it is and not the weather as it could be in another scenario.
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