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Post by nei on Dec 20, 2017 14:53:22 GMT -5
Climate scientist simulates the long winters and summers of Westeros. The axis was set to rotate as the earth went over the sun so that the axis always pointed away/towards the sun year-round, creating a permanent summer or winter. At the earth's current tilt, this resulted in the polar summer ocean reaching above 60°C in 3 years and upper atmosphere winds reaching 400+ mph, making the simulation crash with grid cells emptying of air. With the tilt reduced to 10°, the everlasting summer or winter was stable www.bristol.ac.uk/news/2017/december/climate-game-of-thrones-.htmlclick on journal for the full results The discussion in part 3 describes the winds and weather in the winter and summer in various places. there is a region of intense low pressure to the west of northern Westeros, and high pressure to the west of central Westeros. Associated with this are strong winds that blow onshore in central Westeros, in- 40 cluding in the Iron Islands; it is no wonder that the Ironborn are such famed sailors, having to contend with storms of such severity. Pressure and temperature maps are available in the paper. While a silly experiment, it is kinda interesting to see an extended summer or winter climate would be habitable and stable. |
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Post by Ariete on Dec 20, 2017 15:07:06 GMT -5
I saw one suggestion which said that the planet has a widely irregular orbit and thus creates the long summers and winter.
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Post by Hiromant on Dec 20, 2017 15:19:11 GMT -5
It's strange though that winters can have different lengths, characters mention long winters in the past. Must be a wildly oscillating axis of rotation like earth would have without the moon. Even then the changes would be too slow for humans to notice in their lifetimes.
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Post by Lommaren on Dec 20, 2017 15:24:33 GMT -5
I'm sure Filipino Guy would have a lot of questions to ask had he been here  |
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Post by nei on Dec 20, 2017 15:31:12 GMT -5
I'm sure Filipino Guy would have a lot of questions to ask had he been here who are you referring to? |
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Post by Lommaren on Dec 20, 2017 15:32:13 GMT -5
who are you referring to? Jackie Rudespamsky |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 15:37:53 GMT -5
Never seen Game of Thrones, but for what I've seen Westeros does have a lot of climatic variety. Geographically it's roughly based on an altered form of Great Britain, with the story loosely based on the Wars of the Roses. Another cool piece of trivia, much of it is filmed in Northern Ireland, and Owen's hill has been featured, seriously.
I saw elsewhere a university had also figured out a climate model for Middle Earth. Not sure if I created a thread about it back on CD.
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Post by nei on Dec 20, 2017 15:41:27 GMT -5
Never seen Game of Thrones, but for what I've seen Westeros does have a lot of climatic variety. Geographically it's roughly based on an altered form of Great Britain, with the story loosely based on the Wars of the Roses. Another cool piece of trivia, much of it is filmed in Northern Ireland, and Owen's hill has been featured, seriously. I saw elsewhere a university had also figured out a climate model for Middle Earth. Not sure if I created a thread about it back on CD. I think this paper is from the same university / scientist(s) who created a climate model for Middle Earth. Their serious interest is modeling the earth's climate 10s of millions of years ago. |
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Post by Babu on Dec 20, 2017 16:22:45 GMT -5
George RR Martin has said the explanation is a fantasy-esque one and not related to science. Probably has to do with the Whiter walker god and stuff.
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Post by Babu on Dec 20, 2017 16:26:34 GMT -5
Never seen Game of Thrones, but for what I've seen Westeros does have a lot of climatic variety. Geographically it's roughly based on an altered form of Great Britain, with the story loosely based on the Wars of the Roses. Another cool piece of trivia, much of it is filmed in Northern Ireland, and Owen's hill has been featured, seriously. I saw elsewhere a university had also figured out a climate model for Middle Earth. Not sure if I created a thread about it back on CD. I'd say it's more based on continental Europe geographically. Dorne being Mediterranean, Winterfell pretty Northern Swedish, and Essos (the eastern continent) reminds me a lot of the middle east. |
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Post by Ariete on Dec 20, 2017 16:29:30 GMT -5
Never seen Game of Thrones, but for what I've seen Westeros does have a lot of climatic variety. Geographically it's roughly based on an altered form of Great Britain, with the story loosely based on the Wars of the Roses. Another cool piece of trivia, much of it is filmed in Northern Ireland, and Owen's hill has been featured, seriously. Some of it is. The Westeros continent spans roughly from Nordkapp to Gibraltar in real world kilometres. They also filmed on Malta for a few seasons jajajaja bro. |
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Post by nei on Dec 20, 2017 17:05:39 GMT -5
George RR Martin has said the explanation is a fantasy-esque one and not related to science. Probably has to do with the Whiter walker god and stuff. It's obviously fantasy; but depending on your idea of fun, is neat to see how close to a plausible reality the general climate and geography is. |
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Post by sari on Dec 20, 2017 17:16:32 GMT -5
I saw one suggestion which said that the planet has a widely irregular orbit and thus creates the long summers and winter. It's strange though that winters can have different lengths, characters mention long winters in the past. Must be a wildly oscillating axis of rotation like earth would have without the moon. Even then the changes would be too slow for humans to notice in their lifetimes. Someone somewhere came up with a theory that the planet is in a solar system with two stars. I'll try to find it. |
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Post by knot on Dec 20, 2017 18:45:28 GMT -5
Here is a map of Westeros with latitude parallels. Winterfell is at about 59.7° N or so.  |
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Post by knot on Dec 20, 2017 18:50:27 GMT -5
Now here is one of Middle-Earth. Tolkein always said that Bree and the Shire were at around Oxford's latitude, but this map suggests that those regions would lie around 61° N; Bree is further north than Winterfell, which might mean a colder climate.  |
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Post by Steelernation on Dec 20, 2017 19:50:03 GMT -5
Could get decent estimates just from watching the show.
Up in Castle Black, it was snowing pretty much all the time. Probably an Et climate.
Winterfell had snow once or twice during the summer and very deep snow in winter so probably a Dfc.
The central parts had mostly deciduous forest and no snow so probably Dfb/Dfa/cool Cfa.
King’s landing has palm trees and it was the last place where winter arrived, but there was still snow in the season 7 finale. Probably doesn’t get a lot though with the palm trees. I’d guess a warm Cfa.
Dorne mostly desert and characters frequently talked about people spending the winter there and the warm climate. Most likely BWh.
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Post by Ethereal on Dec 20, 2017 20:21:37 GMT -5
I wish I liked the show. I tried the first 7 episodes but I couldn't warm up to it. I guess it wasn't my "thing". Don't know, couldn't put my finger on it...
And this is coming from someone who is a fan of LOTR.
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Post by knot on Dec 20, 2017 20:35:19 GMT -5
I wish I liked the show. I tried the first 7 episodes but I couldn't warm up to it. I guess it wasn't my "thing". Don't know, couldn't put my finger on it... And this is coming from someone who is a fan of LOTR. I only watched Got for the Boltons and Freys, as they were the only entertaining factions. Couldn't be fucked about anything else.  Lotr is generally of better quality. |
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Post by Steelernation on Dec 20, 2017 21:39:27 GMT -5
I wish I liked the show. I tried the first 7 episodes but I couldn't warm up to it. I guess it wasn't my "thing". Don't know, couldn't put my finger on it... And this is coming from someone who is a fan of LOTR. GoT is probably my favorite TV show. Seasons 2-6 were epic but season 7 was unrealistic trash. LOTR is very good too. |
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Post by nei on Dec 20, 2017 22:30:11 GMT -5
Could get decent estimates just from watching the show. Up in Castle Black, it was snowing pretty much all the time. Probably an Et climate. Winterfell had snow once or twice during the summer and very deep snow in winter so probably a Dfc. The central parts had mostly deciduous forest and no snow so probably Dfb/Dfa/cool Cfa. King’s landing has palm trees and it was the last place where winter arrived, but there was still snow in the season 7 finale. Probably doesn’t get a lot though with the palm trees. I’d guess a warm Cfa. Dorne mostly desert and characters frequently talked about people spending the winter there and the warm climate. Most likely BWh. Hmm. It's easy to identify climates from the show. I thought the link was neat because it could kinda make a "realistic" Westeros climate. As for GoT vs LoTR, they're very different stories even if both are "fantasy". |
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