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Post by Lommaren on Jan 28, 2018 17:31:02 GMT -5
An island climate in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence vs arguably the most pleasant high-latitude Norwegian climate out there! Both places have sub-optimal averages/timeframes et cetera but judging by climates around them (Baie-Comeau/Magdalen Islands + Bodø/Tromsø) and their respective settings I find both to be correct enough to have a go between them! So, Port Menier (49°N) vs Harstad (68°N). I'll let Harstad win this. Greater warmth potential on individual instances, nice summer daylight and winters that are far more outdoors-friendly. Granted, way more gloomy (likely 1,200 hours vs 1,900 for Port Menier) but the sheer misery of endless cold weather and piles of winter snow at Port Menier would get old very quickly. So long as Harstad sustains a regular snowpack most of the time, it'd be manageable. Harstad E Port Menier E-   |
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Post by knot on Jan 28, 2018 17:34:23 GMT -5
Port Menier, for maritime standards. Cooler year-round and much greater snowfall.
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Post by Lommaren on Jan 28, 2018 18:28:24 GMT -5
Port Menier, for maritime standards. Cooler year-round and much greater snowfall. You mean in terms of summer lows, surely?  I see it was Port Menier won't get many days above 21°C anyway, so why not go for the perpetual daylight and the longer time of the day at peak sun angle instead Having said that, these two are very close, there are pros and cons with both, but I wouldn't want to live in either. Rate them by the way, Whaler  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 18:32:14 GMT -5
Both are straight F , no winners here!
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Post by knot on Jan 28, 2018 18:35:49 GMT -5
You mean in terms of summer lows, surely? I see it was Port Menier won't get many days above 21°C anyway, so why not go for the perpetual daylight and the longer time of the day at peak sun angle instead Having said that, these two are very close, there are pros and cons with both, but I wouldn't want to live in either. Rate them by the way, Whaler There is absolutely no difference between 16° C and 19° C; both are not enough for regular snowfall. The winters of Port Menier, however, are much colder. Thus, It has a cooler annual mean – that is what I mean when I say its cooler year-round. Both by maritime standards, Port Menier is a C+ and Harstad is a C; both of their summers are far too warm, but Quebec's winters are a massive improvement! |
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Post by boombo on Jan 28, 2018 18:35:49 GMT -5
Port Menier E-, Harstad F.
Port Menier wins because it's less gloomy and unlike Harstad has something that almost resembles summer.
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Post by alex992 on Jan 28, 2018 18:44:35 GMT -5
Port Menier for being more continental and having more precipitation. Harstad's winters are rather pathetic for the latitude.
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Post by Steelernation on Jan 28, 2018 19:30:34 GMT -5
Port Menier has better winters with more snow instead of rain. However, it’s summers are much wetter and not much warmer.
I guess Quebec. It’s an E- vs an F+.
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Post by Lommaren on Jan 28, 2018 20:25:52 GMT -5
Port Menier E-, Harstad F. Port Menier wins because it's less gloomy and unlike Harstad has something that almost resembles summer. Judging by Tromsø, Harstad will be likely to hit 25°C almost every year and even 28°C relatively frequently in July (every two years or so). That's something Port Menier definitely won't do. |
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Post by boombo on Jan 29, 2018 5:05:41 GMT -5
Port Menier E-, Harstad F. Port Menier wins because it's less gloomy and unlike Harstad has something that almost resembles summer. Judging by Tromsø, Harstad will be likely to hit 25°C almost every year and even 28°C relatively frequently in July (every two years or so). That's something Port Menier definitely won't do. Then Harstad must get lots of cold 12C summer days I don't want to see to balance it out then, Port Menier at least sounds more consistent. Plus you're talking about a 20 degree difference in peak sun angle so even on a summer day when the temperatures are the same Port Menier must feel warmer, particularly later on in the summer when the Arctic sun is already pretty weak. |
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Post by Lommaren on Jan 29, 2018 9:20:32 GMT -5
Then Harstad must get lots of cold 12C summer days I don't want to see to balance it out then, Port Menier at least sounds more consistent. Plus you're talking about a 20 degree difference in peak sun angle so even on a summer day when the temperatures are the same Port Menier must feel warmer, particularly later on in the summer when the Arctic sun is already pretty weak. This is Tromsø in July 2014 during the warmest ever month up there: I'd imagine Harstad was even warmer, don't know where to find those exact stats, I'm sure our Norwegians could  |
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Post by boombo on Jan 29, 2018 9:29:22 GMT -5
So their warmest month on record still had four days with a high below 13C, that says it all lol. It seems to be prone to big drops when the wind comes off the sea as well, look at 10th-11th and 16th-17th!
We get random cold days in the summer sometimes here as well and it wrecks the whole momentum of it being summer, if a month is going to average 19-20C highs I don't really want to see anything below 17C if possible.
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Post by Lommaren on Jan 29, 2018 9:35:49 GMT -5
So their warmest month on record still had four days with a high below 13C, that says it all lol. It seems to be prone to big drops when the wind comes off the sea as well, look at 10th-11th and 16th-17th! We get random cold days in the summer sometimes here as well and it wrecks the whole momentum of it being summer, if a month is going to average 19-20C highs I don't really want to see anything below 17C if possible. 10-11 must be wrong! How tf could a 15°C low one day transform into a 12°C high day after? Mathematically impossible  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 11:51:51 GMT -5
Harstad. Port Menier has weak record highs, but disgusting record lows, weird climate.
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Post by Lommaren on Jan 29, 2018 12:22:40 GMT -5
Harstad. Port Menier has weak record highs, but disgusting record lows, weird climate. I think it's explained by the ice formation in the northern Gulf of Saint Lawrence since the coastal climates are so cold there and that it eliminates any maritime moderation during winters, hence becoming wild west. Baie-Comeau (the nearest coastal city) has a -47°C record low, so I tend to think that Port Menier's figure is similar to reality although I really would've liked to find its Environment Canada station, because I'm sure there must be one, but can't locate it on their official website. Magdalen Islands a bit further south (2°) is more in a spot where the sea ice can't get steam has a record low of just -27°C, so there must be at least part influence from the ice-free waters nearer the Atlantic there but that Anticosti Island where Port Menier is located more or less loses that for part of winter. |
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Post by Nidaros on Jan 29, 2018 13:41:14 GMT -5
There is a few hundred km from Tromsø and south to Harstad. Harstad is a little warmer in all seasons. Data for Harstad (stadion, 45 m) in July 2014 here. In contrast to Tromsø, Harstad had no days with highs below 13C.   Narvik is much closer to Harstad than Tromsø is. Narvik had one day with high below 15C, and four days above 30C. Here is Narvik in July 2014 (011930):  No sunshine recorded, from memory I think Tromsø recorded ca 340 sunhrs that month Most unique is actually the moderate winter temps in Harstad - never gets much colder than -16C there even in 2010 |
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Post by Hlidskjalf on Jan 30, 2018 9:48:55 GMT -5
Port Menier has longer and slightly warmer summers and Harstads temperature drop from August to September is quite steep, probably due to lower solar angle at 68N. So Port Menier is better and more stabile from june-sept it seems.
The winter however is a disaster and I couldn't handle those lows and the length of it. Harstad is much milder dec-february, but lack of sunshine would make me depressed as well. But I despise cold so much that I choose Harstad. I would probably need a psychiatrist after a year though.
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Post by sari on Jan 30, 2018 20:42:34 GMT -5
Harstad has average temperatures very close to my ideal, just slightly too moderated, but the records both high and low are extremely weak. So it's Port Menier. Close, though - nice climates  |
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