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Post by Lommaren on Feb 18, 2018 6:57:22 GMT -5
For me this is the northernmost D climate in the world at 61.47°N. Everywhere else north of there suffer from either hopeless crummers (hello Ålesund); or dreadful winters (do I even need to link Yakutsk?) So it's a D- thanks to the short but very pleasant summer with perpetual light throughout. Winters are somewhat moderated by the Bothnia Bay to its east, keeping averages at least within the -7°C means even with 1961-1990 standards. Due to recent mildening it nowadays stays above -6°C more often than not, but it's still enough to bring sizeable snow cover. I'd estimate the actual snowfall to be restrained to 120 cm due to the nature of the shielded subarctic latitude.  |
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Post by Babu on Feb 18, 2018 7:06:26 GMT -5
I think Härnösand is as decent. Not as nice temperatures outside of winter, but lots more sunshine, about 15% more annually with about 30% more in the high sun half-year
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Post by grega94 on Feb 18, 2018 7:19:21 GMT -5
So do you consider Sundsval and Umea as F climates? where do you draw the line? |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 18, 2018 7:25:18 GMT -5
So do you consider Sundsval and Umea as F climates? where do you draw the line? E. The vast majority of Northern Sweden is that letter. All people ought to use it because to go straight from D to F is ludicrous... |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 18, 2018 7:27:02 GMT -5
I think Härnösand is as decent. Not as nice temperatures outside of winter, but lots more sunshine, about 15% more annually with about 30% more in the high sun half-year I think Delsbo would get a lot more sunshine than you'd think since it's shielded behind the highlands from low-pressure systems. Härnösand is weak, weak, weak, in summer, pretty much as bad if not worse than Piteå! |
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Post by grega94 on Feb 18, 2018 7:31:42 GMT -5
So do you consider Sundsval and Umea as F climates? where do you draw the line? E. The vast majority of Northern Sweden is that letter. All people ought to use it because to go straight from D to F is ludicrous... oh yeah I didn't notice/forgot that. So what makes Delsbo D, and Sundsval an E? is it because Delsbo reaches 22.4C and Sundsval only 21.5C? Is your threshold 22C? Or is it because Delsbo has 8 months of means above 0C while Sundsval only has 7? |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 18, 2018 7:33:31 GMT -5
oh yeah I didn't notice/forgot that. So what makes Delsbo D, and Sundsval an E? is it because Delsbo reaches 22.4C and Sundsval only 21.5C? Is your threshold 22C? Or is it because Delsbo has 8 months of means above 0C while Sundsval only has 7? Sundsvall* you mean? Sundsvall Airport is a cold freezer in comparison to Delsbo in all seasons, that's why. It's rather simple. There's a possibility Sundsvall downtown could be D- but I'll never know that since the station is malplaced. |
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Post by grega94 on Feb 18, 2018 7:48:10 GMT -5
Sorry that is what I meant. To me it seems like the winters are not that different.
Coldest average high
Delsbo: −1.9C (28.6F)
Sundsvall: −2.5C (27.5F)
Coldest average low
Delsbo: −9.6C (14.7F)
Sundsvall: −10.6C (12.9F)
So yeah Sundsvall is colder, but it's not a significant difference.
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Post by Babu on Feb 18, 2018 8:07:46 GMT -5
I think Härnösand is as decent. Not as nice temperatures outside of winter, but lots more sunshine, about 15% more annually with about 30% more in the high sun half-year I think Delsbo would get a lot more sunshine than you'd think since it's shielded behind the highlands from low-pressure systems. Härnösand is weak, weak, weak, in summer, pretty much as bad if not worse than Piteå! The local topography plays very little part in sunshine since we're talking 100m elevations. All of inland Sweden gets no more than 1600h around there. Härnösand gets upper 1800's. |
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Post by Ariete on Feb 18, 2018 11:16:51 GMT -5
What do you think about Vaasa at 63N Lommaren?  |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 18, 2018 11:37:33 GMT -5
E+ ArieteMy primary concern is that Vaasa struggles to reach 22°C highs in July and March is an abomination in comparison to Delsbo, Hudiksvall and Mora, who all either hit or go above 4°C that timeframe. September and the rapid cooldown is another big downside, not even having the westerly waterflow seems to help. All in all, Vaasa is better than Umeå Airport, but doesn't qualify for a D in my opinion  |
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Post by Ariete on Feb 18, 2018 11:45:19 GMT -5
E+ Ariete My primary concern is that Vaasa struggles to reach 22°C highs in July and March is an abomination in comparison to Delsbo, Hudiksvall and Mora, who all either hit or go above 4°C that timeframe. September and the rapid cooldown is another big downside, not even having the westerly waterflow seems to help. All in all, Vaasa is better than Umeå Airport, but doesn't qualify for a D in my opinion It's only 0.15 colder in means using the early years for the airport, and 0.4 warmer with the centre station, though... |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 18, 2018 11:47:43 GMT -5
It's only 0.15 colder in means using the early years for the airport, and 0.4 warmer with the centre station, though... Sure. For me, the avg highs are more important than the lows, so if two climates are equal in means I'll prioritize which has the highest average highs if we're dealing with cold climates, and vice versa if we're dealing with hot climates I assume Vaasa Centre could potentially be a D- with the right quota of highs/lows, but I doubt the highs of July reach 22°C even there, I think it's most likely high 21/13 something. So, maybe. Can't say for sure. |
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Post by Ariete on Feb 18, 2018 12:00:45 GMT -5
Sure. For me, the avg highs are more important than the lows, so if two climates are equal in means I'll prioritize which has the highest average highs if we're dealing with cold climates, and vice versa if we're dealing with hot climates I assume Vaasa Centre could potentially be a D- with the right quota of highs/lows, but I doubt the highs of July reach 22°C even there, I think it's most likely high 21/13 something. So, maybe. Can't say for sure. I think Vaasa could pinch a D- from you concerning the latitude if it was located in Sweden.  The Centre Station doesn't exist anymore, so it's only Klemettilä from no on. It is practically centre though: goo.gl/maps/URPu9HS9FjC2 |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 18, 2018 12:29:51 GMT -5
I think Vaasa could pinch a D- from you concerning the latitude if it was located in Sweden. The Centre Station doesn't exist anymore, so it's only Klemettilä from no on. It is practically centre though: goo.gl/maps/URPu9HS9FjC2That's just typical to shut down urban stations in a more urbanized world... Pitiful that all those met offices do that  I'm still very frustrated with the March means even in the centre station and for me, March is a big, big deal when I hand out a grade for a climate in Northern Europe. There, latitude plays the most important part of all as it's purely about sun strength and being away from the immediate waters. I'm sure Utö is a disaster in March similar to what Landsort is, correct? Should global warming continue, I think 2016-2030 provided those 05, 06 and 13 March freakshows not re-occur, Vaasa will be a certain D- and the northernmost location to be so though |
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Post by Ariete on Feb 18, 2018 13:12:00 GMT -5
Lommaren, which one of these should you take?  
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 18, 2018 13:21:49 GMT -5
D-.
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 18, 2018 13:37:54 GMT -5
Lommaren , which one of these should you take? Very good question actually I'll have to go with Kuovola, which is standard D vs D- for the other one. Main reason for that is that July highs are epic in Kuovola, what more to wish for in the Nordics than 23.7°C? That's equal to Lund and Stockholm for that same timeframe, and even matches Saint Petersburg's UHI! They're also equally miserable in March, so having Kuovola being a degree colder or so in winter, doesn't matter all that much since both are too cold that time of the year anyway. My biggest beef with Northern Sweden is mainly the absence of a warm summer. Coastal Skellefteå is pretty fine in late July, but I still missed those 2°C of highs back home then. Since I spend most of my time indoors in winter anyway, a 1°C drop means less then compared to what it does in summer. The -4°C high of Kuovola would perhaps even be manageable, considering the low diurnals, which is the sole redeeming factor of its winters. Having it be -3/-13 is worse than -4/-9, so I care more about means in winter, whereas March-Nov I'm chasing the place with the better daily highs. Also, 20.4°C in August in Lohja Porla for the highs is a bit of a red card from me, when I can get high 21's instead, so it's not just July |
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Post by knot on Feb 20, 2018 1:35:24 GMT -5
C. Fucken boring.
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