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Post by Lommaren on Apr 9, 2018 13:43:46 GMT -5
Kindersley in far western Saskatchewan vs Kaliningrad (formerly Königsberg) on the Baltic Sea coast. Both are continental in nature, but under Köppen Kindersley is a cold semi-arid climate whereas Kaliningrad could be described as a maritime climate; although I'd deem it semi-continental. Kaliningrad nicks it for me, even though I like Kindersley's summers better. Subarctic drizzle can be annoying but at the same time Kaliningrad is more or less a wetter copy of where I live but with warmer Augusts courtesy of the lower latitude and westerly inflow. It's a devil I know (C-) vs one I don't (D). And yes, Kaliningrad receives more snow and definitely gets a lot of thunderstorms in summer if anyone's wondering. I'd estimate Kaliningrad's snow total to about 145 cm.   |
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Post by Morningrise on Apr 9, 2018 13:57:17 GMT -5
Kindersley by far for the much better sunshine hours (especially in winter, where it really counts for me), significantly fewer precipitation days (especially at the colder times of the year), and warmer summer highs.
I live in essentially the exact same climate as Kindersley (it's only 200km west of here) and even now after a long winter that's dragging its feet I would not trade it for Kaliningrad.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 9, 2018 14:00:43 GMT -5
Kindersley by far for the much better sunshine hours (especially in winter, where it really counts for me), significantly fewer precipitation days (especially at the colder times of the year), and warmer summer highs. I live in essentially the exact same climate as Kindersley (it's only 200km west of here) and even now after a long winter that's dragging its feet I would not trade it for Kaliningrad. Which location are you at?  I'd go completely insane should I move to that climate during winter; I find summers to be A- but winters are a solid E- bordering on F+... |
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Post by boombo on Apr 9, 2018 14:05:20 GMT -5
Hmm, another good poll that makes you think! I actually went with Kindersley. Those winters are unlike anything I have experience of so it's hard to say how well I'd deal with them, but it's not as if Kaliningrad's winters will entice you to go out much anyway.
Kindersley just edges it because of the extra sunshine, lower amount of precip days and because it's more interesting all round.
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Post by Steelernation on Apr 9, 2018 14:09:06 GMT -5
Kindersley is better in every way. It’s a C vs. a D-.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Apr 9, 2018 14:40:42 GMT -5
Kaliningrad Königsberg, Prussia for me. Much better women in every way.
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Post by Morningrise on Apr 9, 2018 14:47:50 GMT -5
Kindersley by far for the much better sunshine hours (especially in winter, where it really counts for me), significantly fewer precipitation days (especially at the colder times of the year), and warmer summer highs. I live in essentially the exact same climate as Kindersley (it's only 200km west of here) and even now after a long winter that's dragging its feet I would not trade it for Kaliningrad. Which location are you at? I'd go completely insane should I move to that climate during winter; I find summers to be A- but winters are a solid E- bordering on F+... I'm in Saskatoon. The winters are definitely colder and longer than I'd like but it's mostly just the cold snaps in Dec/Jan/Feb that bother me - average and above average days in those months are usually okay with me (even if they're still a bit colder than I'd like), and March and November are perfectly fine by my standards even when they're a bit below average (like they were this past season). The low precipitation we have makes day-to-day winter life less annoying, and the regular sunshine has an uplifting effect on my mood. Cold/wet/cloudy is my least favorite combination in winter, I'll gladly go a few degrees colder in exchange for sunshine and dryness |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 9, 2018 14:52:21 GMT -5
I'm in Saskatoon. The winters are definitely colder and longer than I'd like but it's mostly just the cold snaps in Dec/Jan/Feb that bother me - average and above average days in those months are usually okay with me (even if they're still a bit colder than I'd like), and March and November are perfectly fine by my standards even when they're a bit below average (like they were this past season). The low precipitation we have makes day-to-day winter life less annoying, and the regular sunshine has an uplifting effect on my mood. Cold/wet/cloudy is my least favorite combination in winter, I'll gladly go a few degrees colder in exchange for sunshine and dryness Do you have any idea why Saskatoon is about the same climate as Regina even though it's farther north? My theory is that Saskatoon is in a stronger pathway for chinooks, is that correct? |
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Post by Morningrise on Apr 9, 2018 15:25:13 GMT -5
I'm in Saskatoon. The winters are definitely colder and longer than I'd like but it's mostly just the cold snaps in Dec/Jan/Feb that bother me - average and above average days in those months are usually okay with me (even if they're still a bit colder than I'd like), and March and November are perfectly fine by my standards even when they're a bit below average (like they were this past season). The low precipitation we have makes day-to-day winter life less annoying, and the regular sunshine has an uplifting effect on my mood. Cold/wet/cloudy is my least favorite combination in winter, I'll gladly go a few degrees colder in exchange for sunshine and dryness Do you have any idea why Saskatoon is about the same climate as Regina even though it's farther north? My theory is that Saskatoon is in a stronger pathway for chinooks, is that correct? Both cities are located on a giant flat open plain with access to the same weather systems from both the arctic and southern US, with no mountains or major bodies of water near either of them to moderate the weather, and they’re less than 2 degrees of latitude apart which isn’t enough for a huge difference in solar radiation. Thus they get mostly the same weather. Regina’s yearly mean is actually half a degree warmer than Saskatoon’s if you’re comparing the two airport stations. It’s definitely not caused by chinooks, they’re too far south and west to affect Saskatoon as far as I know. There are chinook-like winds that originate from Cypress Hills in the far southwest of the province that make the town of Maple Creek the province’s hotspot, and that effect seems to stretch all the way to Moose Jaw (80km west of Regina), where it suddenly stops before reaching Regina for some reason - though I admit I'm not entirely sure if those winds are the cause of the warmer averages in Moose Jaw as they seem too localized to stretch that far, but I'm not aware of any other geographical reasons why there would be such a large average temperature difference over such a small distance. Either way, here's an article on Maple Creek's anomalously mild averages in this province: www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/winter-heatwave-maple-creek-1.3987697 |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 9, 2018 15:30:11 GMT -5
Wow Morningrise, that climate (Maple Creek) is one of the most epic continental climate I've ever seen. I'll start a rate the climate on it very soon provided someone else doesn't  |
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Post by deneb78 on Apr 9, 2018 16:40:42 GMT -5
Kaliningrad for sure. Less continental.
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Post by knot on Apr 9, 2018 17:01:57 GMT -5
KindersleyMuch more exciting and less gay (i.e. Swedish)
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Post by nei on Apr 9, 2018 22:16:18 GMT -5
Which location are you at? I'd go completely insane should I move to that climate during winter; I find summers to be A- but winters are a solid E- bordering on F+... I'm in Saskatoon. The winters are definitely colder and longer than I'd like but it's mostly just the cold snaps in Dec/Jan/Feb that bother me - average and above average days in those months are usually okay with me (even if they're still a bit colder than I'd like), and March and November are perfectly fine by my standards even when they're a bit below average (like they were this past season). The low precipitation we have makes day-to-day winter life less annoying, and the regular sunshine has an uplifting effect on my mood. Cold/wet/cloudy is my least favorite combination in winter, I'll gladly go a few degrees colder in exchange for sunshine and dryness You must miss Vancouver. Or do you like Saskatoon for other reasons or the rest of the year outside winter is tolerable? |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Apr 10, 2018 0:43:28 GMT -5
KindersleyMuch more exciting and less gay (i.e. Swedish) , you know Prussians are much less gay than their regrettably close (gay) Swedish cousins. Heil Königsberg!!! |
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Post by Morningrise on Apr 10, 2018 9:57:31 GMT -5
Wow Morningrise , that climate (Maple Creek) is one of the most epic continental climate I've ever seen. I'll start a rate the climate on it very soon provided someone else doesn't Definitely the nicest climate in Saskatchewan, and actually one of my favorites in Canada. Also is in the sunniest part of the country (nearby Medicine Hat, Alberta has over 2500 hours of sunshine). Cypress Hills looks like a really incredible area and one that I hope to visit in the not too distant future I'm in Saskatoon. The winters are definitely colder and longer than I'd like but it's mostly just the cold snaps in Dec/Jan/Feb that bother me - average and above average days in those months are usually okay with me (even if they're still a bit colder than I'd like), and March and November are perfectly fine by my standards even when they're a bit below average (like they were this past season). The low precipitation we have makes day-to-day winter life less annoying, and the regular sunshine has an uplifting effect on my mood. Cold/wet/cloudy is my least favorite combination in winter, I'll gladly go a few degrees colder in exchange for sunshine and dryness You must miss Vancouver. Or do you like Saskatoon for other reasons or the rest of the year outside winter is tolerable? I miss certain things about Vancouver, and there are other things I don't miss. It's obviously a much more exciting and interesting city than Saskatoon but the housing situation there is not conducive to long-term residency, and Saskatoon is my hometown so it's nice to be home at least for a little while. The winters in Sask are too cold but I do really love the warmer half of the year out here and far prefer it over the warmer half of the year on the west coast (and always have). Love the wide open prairie landscape, awesome clouds and storms that come up in the spring and summer, etc. I do miss the lush greenery and long growing season of Vancouver for sure, though... no risk of -10C in April over there! |
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Post by aabc123 on Apr 11, 2018 5:14:03 GMT -5
Canadian place is sunnier and has warmer highs but winter there is too cold and too long as well spring is cooler.Voted for Kaliningrad although it is almost a draw game.
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Post by alex992 on Apr 11, 2018 23:24:07 GMT -5
Kindersley for being more continental.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 8:15:42 GMT -5
Kaliningrad - better winters.
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Post by Beercules on Apr 12, 2018 8:51:51 GMT -5
Kindersley, those summers, sunshine, and the likelyhood of storms cannot be ignored. The winters are a disaster, but preferable to the permanent overcast maritime wankfest of the alternative.
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Post by tij on Feb 10, 2020 12:16:10 GMT -5
Kaliningrad, for the much less severe winters. Even with the gloom, it would feel significantly more comfortable than Kindersley during the season. No amount of sunshine can compensate for extreme temps in my view, and the Prairies have freakish negative deviations at times, even by the rather harsh standards of southern Minnesota.
The very cold nights in Kindersley lead to a quite short growing season, and dull, monotonous flora. Kindersley also doesn't really seem interesting, as it just has repetitive dry, sunny, cold (or downright frigid) weather during the winter. It's also semi-arid, which is unappealing as I prefer lusher vegetation, although I'm guessing Kaliningrad could feel rather damp at times even with relatively moderate precipitation totals.
A 5c difference in annual mean is massive, and i could never mistake the two winters, while Kindersley's nights during summer would make it seem more like early autumn (or what I'm used to for that season) in many ways. It still seems a bit better in that season than Kaliningrad, though, for the additional sunshine and warmer maxima.
That being said, more continental and sunnier places with a somewhat lower annual mean can be nicer than ultramarine, gloomy places if they have significantly nicer summers to compensate for their harsher winters (as with somewhere like Fargo, or even Winnipeg, versus Bergen). I think that somewhere like Fargo or Ottawa may be slightly better than Kaliningrad despite a slightly lower annual mean for a warmer, longer, summer, but Kindersley just seems too cold year-round to compensate in my view.
One final factor to consider is that the Baltic has markedly warmed in the past decade, while Saskatchewan seems relatively stagnant.
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