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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2018 7:19:54 GMT -5
^^^ The local Botevs deep in discussion. Wrexham high indice of subtropique bro  ^^^ At least, no Scandinavians go silent when the climate indeed is below average. I think all people in the Nordics/Baltic region can attest to the significant warming lately. |
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Post by knot on Apr 23, 2018 7:21:11 GMT -5
1821h sunshine is outdated. More likely 1880-1920h for 81-10. And obviously I can't vote against a Swedish climate because Sweden is a temperate heaven unlike subarctique anywhere else.I prefer Stockholm. well am I not surprised?  |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2018 7:22:01 GMT -5
I traced sarcasm from Baba right there  |
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Post by knot on Apr 23, 2018 7:26:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 7:30:15 GMT -5
^^^ The local Botevs deep in discussion. Wrexham high indice of subtropique bro ^^^ At least, no Scandinavians go silent when the climate indeed is below average. I think all people in the Nordics/Baltic region can attest to the significant warming lately. I know everyone likes warmer summers, but indeed it is warming up there as quickly as you guys are saying, that's not something to be celebrated. Rapid climatic changes like that can be disastrous in the longer term. |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2018 7:33:08 GMT -5
I know everyone likes warmer summers, but indeed it is warming up there as quickly as you guys are saying, that's not something to be celebrated. Rapid climatic changes like that can be disastrous in the longer term. Probably a bit like the boiling frog thing for the tropics; at this rate I'd suggest it'll take 4°C warming of Umeå to result in a 1°C warming of the tropics and the planet will get ever more maritime until the water boils over and the tropics explode. I'd say that's probably 6-7°C away though. What about you? |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2018 7:35:04 GMT -5
Funny how one of the "Botevs" (me) maded that weather box  Must be the worst Botev ever bro. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 8:58:38 GMT -5
baba need to come to terms with living in a subarctic climate. tavelsjö isn't even borderline subarctic like umeå, but full-blown subarctic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 9:05:57 GMT -5
I know everyone likes warmer summers, but indeed it is warming up there as quickly as you guys are saying, that's not something to be celebrated. Rapid climatic changes like that can be disastrous in the longer term. Probably a bit like the boiling frog thing for the tropics; at this rate I'd suggest it'll take 4°C warming of Umeå to result in a 1°C warming of the tropics and the planet will get ever more maritime until the water boils over and the tropics explode. I'd say that's probably 6-7°C away though. What about you? I was more referring to the impact on the environment and the infrastructure. Milder winters and hot summers would be an ecological disaster up in that part of the world. Just between 1994 and 2010 Reindeer up there decreased in size by 15% on average, due to climate change. |
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Post by Babu on Apr 23, 2018 9:43:05 GMT -5
baba need to come to terms with living in a subarctic climate. tavelsjö isn't even borderline subarctic like umeå, but full-blown subarctic. Why do you think I'm in denyal of living in a subarctic climate? |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2018 9:43:18 GMT -5
I was more referring to the impact on the environment and the infrastructure. Milder winters and hot summers would be an ecological disaster up in that part of the world. Just between 1994 and 2010 Reindeer up there decreased in size by 15% on average, due to climate change. Well sure; but there have never been any reindeers where I live, and instead the growing season has been prolonged, so it fully depends on what kind of livelihood the population has. For Stockholm's region a warming climate will be a boost in so many ways, including an extension of the tourism season that normally ends mid-August. |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2018 9:47:17 GMT -5
Why do you think I'm in denyal of living in a subarctic climate? Since May is more likely to warm than September I don't think Tavelsjö will become Dfb until something very remarkable happens, and I fail to see where Baba's claimed Tavelsjö is on the way to Dfb lol? Holmön and downtown Umeå already are though. Umeå's airport is close to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 9:55:52 GMT -5
I was more referring to the impact on the environment and the infrastructure. Milder winters and hot summers would be an ecological disaster up in that part of the world. Just between 1994 and 2010 Reindeer up there decreased in size by 15% on average, due to climate change. Well sure; but there have never been any reindeers where I live, and instead the growing season has been prolonged, so it fully depends on what kind of livelihood the population has. For Stockholm's region a warming climate will be a boost in so many ways, including an extension of the tourism season that normally ends mid-August. Yeah, the north will he affected the most. There are pros and cons, a higher treeline and longer growing season would he a pro. However the water supply around Stockholm and the south east is expected to decrease, and some of the nasty critters and diseases that the climate has kept at bay, could eventually become common in the south. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 9:58:12 GMT -5
baba need to come to terms with living in a subarctic climate. tavelsjö isn't even borderline subarctic like umeå, but full-blown subarctic. He doesn't really try to pimp his own climate, the boost of a couple degrees here and there isn't going to save a train wreck climate like Tavelsjö. It's southern coastal Sweden that he tries to turn into Mediterranean paradise. |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2018 10:09:07 GMT -5
Yeah, the north will he affected the most. There are pros and cons, a higher treeline and longer growing season would he a pro. However the water supply around Stockholm and the south east is expected to decrease, and some of the nasty critters and diseases that the climate has kept at bay, could eventually become common in the south. I'm surprised it looks so semi-arid here right now after a wet winter with a regular snowpack. That being said, the reason why there might be temporary water struggles in some areas would be solely because the water management people have been lazy and relied on groundwater boosted by snowmelt rather than having a proper recycling into the copious amounts of lakes there are. Due to temps being moderate in shoulder seasons and the sun strength being weaker, our lakes tend to manage better than English reservoirs during heat waves. The natural depth of the lakes is of course much greater as well. Nyköping and the coast around here is in a better shape than Stockholm though. First of all, there's a lot less requirement for drinking water in smaller settings, secondly, the municipality here have always been smart enough to take the water directly from the sizeable Lake Yngaren and recycle it through pipelines underneath the ground. Yngaren is far from the only lake available. Stockholm will have to really use the Mälaren lake to its west and increase the output there. When you haven't done something it takes time to build the adequate infrastructure. Given the size of Mälaren and the other great lakes of Sweden though, there have to be zero excuses If you know about Vänern (that large lake near Norway); I'm sure could supply the whole of Europe with drinking water if explicitly used for it... As for southern coastal Sweden it really sucks between October and April and deep Sweden is extremely gloomy and stuck in the deadzone (0-4°C) all the time in winter with very little snow. I'd only trade my region's climate for that particular setting of Lund in all of Scandinavia. Baba however, does seem to really like 3/0 and 2/-2 winters |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 10:14:54 GMT -5
Nyköping 2030.  |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2018 10:15:57 GMT -5
Nyköping 2030. Nah we'll be lucky to have a 24/14 July mean even 2031-60 man |
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Post by nei on Apr 23, 2018 10:58:21 GMT -5
With 55 inches of precipitation , much harder to have water supplies issues with or without climate change in Halifax vs Stockholm. Doubt Halifax could ever look semi arid looking
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2018 11:05:27 GMT -5
With 55 inches of precipitation , much harder to have water supplies issues with or without climate change in Halifax vs Stockholm. Doubt Halifax could ever look semi arid looking The natural environment look very similar in both locations' coastal hinterlands in spite of the precipitation differences, interestingly enough. |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 23, 2018 12:46:44 GMT -5
The longer growing season might be a two-edged sword at least initially. Our crop seed are cultivated to our climates, and if the growing season gets longer, it might effect crops. We cannot either just import central/southern european seeds because they are not used to our amount of summer light.
Not to mention that all kinds of pests will migrate further north.
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