Halifax (NS) vs Stockholm

That's because you guys like to invent numbers, round-up numbers, or use arbitrary time periods, all to paint your climate in a more favorable light. Who cares if Stockholm averaged 2000 annual sunshine hours between April 2003 and March 2006, you can make any climate look better by cherrypicking a few good years. Nowhere in Sweden has 2000 annual sunshine hours. Stockholm, Malmo, and even this mythical Lund that you guys bring up all the time are in the 1800s. And that's even with the derpy 2002-2016 climate normals for the latter two. Malmo somehow magically has 115 more annual sunshine hours than Copenhagen right across the strait, I'm thinking the difference between the two is much smaller than you would like to admit. And 1800=/=2000, maybe in Swedish mathematics, but certainly not in the rest of the world. You can't round up when it comes to climate data, it'd be like having a 7 inch Johnson and writing that you have a footlong on your OKC profile. And then there are times where I check wikipedia and find mysterious 24C highs in July in Sweden, only for the climate boxes to revert back to normal the following day

I made the comparison with British beaches because you had previously been making comparisons with the British climate and water temperatures.

Halifax.

Winters are shite in both places, and Halifax has much better summers.

That's complete falsehood. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Norrköping is first of all 25 km from the open sea and Nyköping is 13 km from the open sea in the sun's direction and about 10 km in one isolated direction that's hindered by the archipelago rather than open, so I'd suggest a simple use of the meter in Google Earth to find that out. I often take the bike to what you'd think is the open sea and sometimes to the actual open sea so I should know how far away it is. Just because you can see a horizon from inside a bay doesn't mean it's part of "the open sea".

Second of all, Norrköping is in a warmer spot than Nyköping due to Kolmården blocking north-easterlies that befalls Nyköping, thus increasing sunshine. It is also drier than Nyköping. Quite clearly Norrköping does have 30-50 hours more sunshine than here. I hardly even see the sun in December and January in this town. So don't make things up, you make all Swedes look bad and suddenly you've single-handedly managed to start a meme where I become part of some "Swedish Botev" crew I've nothing to do with Botev and I don't make sunshine hours up, you do.

As for Giorbanguly , the problem with Stockholm and Gothenburg is that there's an atsizat in each location who likes to make up their own numbers and constantly have vandalized the pages. The Stockholm bastard even vandalized Météo Climat's averages for 1981-2010  Luckily both village idiots for each location seem to have stopped lately, which is good. There's a complete absence of 1981-2010 data for most stations even though they were all running due to the met agency being too lazy to compile averages every 10 years. So, for most stations the only data available without doing the research yourself from the monthy data sheets from 2002-2018 is to use completely outdated "mini ice age" numbers that don't even include avg high and avg low Lund is still a bad climate, it's nowhere near good enough for me to enjoy seven months of the year but it does have better summers than the rest of Scandinavia, which isn't saying much.

The annual mean would be 0.3°-0.4°C higher there than here, we get the worst deal for cold winter nights, and the only advantage Nyköping really has is that summer nights are slightly warmer here in downtown due to the southerly inflow of maritime air overnight and the increased amounts of clouds. Clear nights seem to be few and far between here since clouds always come in from the sea approaching sunset. I'm pretty sure the 2002-2017 avg high for July here is only 22.5-22.7°C for example (23.0°C in Norrköping). Still having nights at approximately 13.5°C on average in July make sure one doesn't really notice much of a difference.

For Baba to give an expert opinion on sunshine hours in a place where he neither lives nor has a sunshine station though is a little bit rich

Southampton is "hidden" behind Isle of Wight, just as Nyköping is "hidden" behind the Arnö/Oxelösund peninsula and the "five bays" area of endless coastline. So any advantage goes out of the window. If Baba had argued for Oxelösund's weather station at the former artillery base right on the shore having 100 hours more than Norrköping I'd be prepared to listen, but still have a massive hesitation about it. To suggest it applies to Nyköping which is essentially almost an inland town with sea breezes just like Stockholm, makes it a bit ludicrous, as well-meaning as Baba is.

I've been mainly looking at the road between Halifax and Liverpool farther south and it really looked like exact copies. Having said that, still those pictures look like something you could find around here.

I think the extra rain kind of cancels out the colder nights there so it looks about equally hemiboreal?

Not on the mainland, but some location might have, as Utö has 1990 hours in the 1981-2010 normals, and that's the sunniest in Finland.



You are assuming and guessing. That's not how this game works. If anyone, people who are interested in climate should stick to hard data and data only. And I say this to Lommaren too: stop assuming and start digging into data.



15-year periods aren't "normals", they are short averages. There is a reason why a normal period is 30 years. Ok, one might have a good argument to say that the cold winters of the 80's aren't representing this day's climate anymore, but then you should at least include every year since 1990.

And of course we should all be honest that the period since 2000 is the warmest ever recorded in this region in modern times.

I'm not saying any place has this exact values when there's no data, but I made an estimation based on knowing Nyköping and Norrköping's climates inside out and often travelling the rail line between the towns to respond to an absolutely ridiculous suggestion that Nyköping has 100 more sunshine hours than Norrköping, when the likeliest scenario is that Norrköping has more sun.

When someone's guesswork gets out of hand and there is no hard data, there still must be a way to debunk things.

Norrköping is hard data but to due SMHI being too lazy to install a station in a provincial seat for some reason there's no hard data for this urban area, but any differences are quite minor, and certainly not a massive microclimate like Baba in this instance tries to portray it as.