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Post by Lommaren on Jun 5, 2018 8:14:20 GMT -5
I don't have one dream climate in particular, just a few templates that I find equally good with flexible winter lows and this is one of them. It copies precipitation patterns of Lommarby pretty much, but is way sunnier due to its lower latitude (44°N on this fictional planet, probably 35°N on an earth-like planet). A++++ For the record; Schlomberg is situated between an often cool sea 30 km to its west and a warm lake right on its eastern shore. It also has high mountains to its north, often blocking northerlies, except during winter nights, when the frigid air comes rushing down. Coupled by lake-effect snow, that can mean severe snowstorms on a couple of occasions per winter month. Deluge rainfall is common also in summer, most often at night when the rising overnight humidity coupled with the lake patterns and the cooler sea air can result in monsoon-like weather. The average annual temps normally range between 34.8°C and -10.6°C. On average, 25 days are expected to reach 30°C and 64 nights record air frost. The lake and sea combined moderate explosive 100-degree weather though. Humidity is low year-round (25-50 %) except during the short-lived deluges.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 8:25:41 GMT -5
D-
boring.
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Post by Beercules on Jun 5, 2018 8:32:19 GMT -5
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 5, 2018 8:35:04 GMT -5
D+ summers too cool, especially the lows, the record highs some 10C too cold, completely unrealistic snowfalls, what 30 inches of winter snow with avg highs warmer than Sydney, really? before the winter lows are called to the defense, yeah nah, those are the result of clear skies in a climate like this. It's a twice per month event, keep in mind that the winters can reach -10°C a few times per winter, while many nights remain at near double-digits plus highs. Due to the variable nature of winter nights anything can happen. Some days are like 9/-10, other days more like 24/10. Lake effect-snow as you might know (Michigan, Hokkaido) also exacerbates any snowfall. Without the lake, the annual snowfall would be about 35-40 cm if even that, since the lake humidity causes clouds that then hammer the shoreline with brief snow that melts within a day. This climate wouldn't be possible without the perfect topography for it, which I outlined in the OP  Mountains to the north and cool/warm air frequently colliding due to the two bodies of water and also the warm interior to the east and south influencing things. |
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Post by Beercules on Jun 5, 2018 8:39:44 GMT -5
no dice. Show me a real world climate with -1/18 avg temps in the coldest month that averages nearly a metre of snowfall.
Lake effect snow, Hokkaido, all that, they don't have average highs in winter as warm as Sydney!!!
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 5, 2018 8:45:29 GMT -5
no dice. Show me a real world climate with -1/18 avg temps in the coldest month that averages nearly a metre of snowfall. Lake effect snow, Hokkaido, all that, they don't have average highs in winter as warm as Sydney!!! But this climate is not located on Tellus! There's no landmass tailored for high diurnals and winter snow on earth. Always hindering elements in the way for that. If you had 2,000 metre mountains right north of you, with northerlies coming in only during winter during rare cloudier spells, then technically cold air would sweep in and influence the ongoing rainfall as a result of unstable air over the lake. All snowfall happens between 1 am and 6 am, it's never been recorded outside of that timeframe. I know it looks absurd, but usually 15 cm falls within a mere hour in a complete state of blizzard when the northerlies truly penetrate, and then it disappears. Like I said, this snowfall happens on average barely even half a dozen times each winter, but it'd be a truly spectacular phenomenon. As soon as the sun goes up again, it pushes away the cold air up the mountain once more. Usual snow day has averages like 8/-4 or something, in effect narrower diurnals due to the variable nature of the place's weather. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 10:29:10 GMT -5
D, those winter diurnals make the snowfall levels irrelevant since it'll melt straight away.
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 5, 2018 10:49:34 GMT -5
D, those winter diurnals make the snowfall levels irrelevant since it'll melt straight away. Pretty much so. Up the nearby mountain there's a skiing resort though, winters at 1,500 metres elevation for the base there are 0/-14 on average. The snowline tends to go at 800 m asl. What kind of other weaknesses does this climate have in your opinion? |
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Post by knot on Jun 5, 2018 11:31:59 GMT -5
Pretty much so. Up the nearby mountain there's a skiing resort though, winters at 1,500 metres elevation for the base there are 0/-14 on average. The snowline tends to go at 800 m asl. What kind of other weaknesses does this climate have in your opinion? Can this climate be any more unrealistic? 1,500 m AMSL is not nearly enough altitude for to decrease temperatures by such tremendous amounts. Here's an example at 34° / 33° S—my climate (BOM approximate) vs Richmond's: Richmond, Hawkesbury, NSW; sea-level; 4° C / 17° C Oberon Correctional Centre, Gurnang State Forest, NSW; 1,148 m AMSL; –2° C / 7° C |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 11:35:13 GMT -5
D, those winter diurnals make the snowfall levels irrelevant since it'll melt straight away. Pretty much so. Up the nearby mountain there's a skiing resort though, winters at 1,500 metres elevation for the base there are 0/-14 on average. The snowline tends to go at 800 m asl. What kind of other weaknesses does this climate have in your opinion? But the mountain has a different climate, I can only rate what the station further down shows. I'd like the November-March highs lower, summer highs are okay, but would maybe prefer a little bit hotter, and less rain in summer. |
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 5, 2018 11:42:18 GMT -5
Can this climate be any more unrealistic? 1,500 m AMSL is not nearly enough altitude for to decrease temperatures by such tremendous amounts. Here's an example at 34° / 33° S—my climate (BOM approximate) vs Richmond's: Richmond, Hawkesbury, NSW; sea-level; 4° C / 17° C Oberon Correctional Centre, Gurnang State Forest, NSW; 1,148 m AMSL; –2° C / 7° C Because it's a solitary mountain-top, rather than being part of a flatter highland As far as mountain-tops go, I've heard it being said they can easily be losing 1°C per 100 metres during colder spells. |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Jun 5, 2018 12:51:42 GMT -5
Too dry...and winters too warm.
But it's a solid D
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Post by Steelernation on Jun 5, 2018 14:10:00 GMT -5
Too mild, winter too wet. C-.
Winter is pretty unrealistic though and there’s absolutely no way a mountain at just 1500 m has 17 C colder average highs!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 14:14:47 GMT -5
Schlommo's mountain seems similar to Owen's hill.
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 5, 2018 14:50:44 GMT -5
Too mild, winter too wet. C-. Winter is pretty unrealistic though and there’s absolutely no way a mountain at just 1500 m has 17 C colder average highs! Okay let's make it 2,200 metres then Jajajajaja |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 15:05:57 GMT -5
Why no just make it Everest? That'll please the cold lovers  |
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Post by alex992 on Jun 5, 2018 15:12:51 GMT -5
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 5, 2018 15:28:14 GMT -5
Why no just make it Everest? That'll please the cold lovers Mount Shalop you mean? Damn how I wish there was a proper meteorological satellite long-term measurement of the summit of Mount Everest! |
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Post by nei on Jun 5, 2018 16:05:15 GMT -5
Your snowfall scenario makes no physical sense.
If you had mountains to the north and northerlies; the typical weather would be dry. Mountains would wring out the moisture; as the air descend to the south side of the mountain it warm up, and be warm than it was on the north side, like a foehn effect. Mild dry isn't good for snow. Then we got lake effect snow? How?? The north mountains make the source of cold air weaker than it would be. You mentioned a cold sea; with winter means around 9°C, the sea won't be that cold unless there's a cold current, places along a sea with a cold current are cold winter climates. A warm lake with those temperature means would warm the air above creating lake effect rain rather than snow as well. The overnight precipitation pattern is kinda weird, too.
The winter diurnal range looks like it's from a rather continental place; but the annual range looks like it's out of an oceanic place. Sunshine, especially winter looks too high if it really did have a cold lake making weather; lake effect = clouds even more than precipitation.
I guess the mountains could create cold air pooling as air sinks from the mountainside to a valley bottom if the town is in a valley. But that would happen with a clear dry night; not a snowy one. Yea, I know it's a fantasy, but you created a way to justify so it sounds like you care a bit about it being realistic.
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 5, 2018 16:10:42 GMT -5
It's not on Earth so on another planet, entirely different things could be possible. Let's just call that planet "a bit more interesting".
Had it been on earth it'd have virtually zero snow and 4°C winter lows.
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Mountains to the north and cool/warm air frequently colliding due to the two bodies of water and also the warm interior to the east and south influencing things.
