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Post by tij on Feb 16, 2019 4:23:05 GMT -5
Hi everyone! What do you feel are some stereotypical and prototypical climates for every country? Any antistereotypical or antiprotypical climates? This is from the shoutbox discussion we had... Sorry if I didn't clarify what anti-prototypical meant. I was looking for climates that aren't cooler/wetter/hotter/drier versions of most climates in the country- rather for climates that had unique precipitation, sunshine, airmass patterns compared to most of the country, so a prototypical climate would be a climate you could derive most of the country's climates from, through some simple function- but having patterns remain the same. Dras is antiprototypical, not due to the cold per se, but since it has a Mediterranean instead of a monsoonal precip pattern that characterizes most of the rest of the country. Shimla isn't anti-prototypical for me since it's merely a cooler and wetter Chandigarh. Here are my choices: US: stereotypical = Kansas City or Omaha anti-protoypical: prototypical - US is diverse- but Columbus, Ohio for the Eastern US and Portland, Oregon for the west coast could work (perhaps Medford if we have to include both west coast and Mtn west in one climate?).. France: stereotypical: going with Nice even if it's in the far SE corner- think France is viewed as a rather warm and sunny country... Think bordeaux also works tho prototypical: I think La Rochelle (W) and Lyon (E) could both work- but think Bourges is the best choice for "generic French climate" imo- the massif centrale makes limoges and clermont-ferrand a bit strange compared to most of the country. anti-stereo or prototypical: Cherbourg for extremely moderated summers (cooler than much of the UK!), Strasbourg and Reims for the cold, the far south is a sunshine outlier imo (almost all of the rest of the country including Lyon, Bordeaux, and Toulouse has <2100 hr) Britain: stereotypical: Glasgow prototypical: Birmingham anti-stereotypical: south coast has more sun than most of N Europe and a sharper summer precip minimum- more of an Atlantic French vibe rather than the normal British one... also the SE to a lesser extent for reliable summers? Germany: Stereotypical: Erfurt (cold, dry, and continental) prototypical: somewhere between Frankfurt and Hannover? anti-stereotypical: Freiburg for a bit more sun and heat, Düsseldorf (?) for milder winters than typical? Most of the country fits, I'd say China: stererotypical: Fuzhou + Taiyuan? View China as guangdong + mongolia combined I guess prototypical: Luoyang/Kaifeng antistereotypical: Kunming for mild summers, antiprototypical: Jinghong, Yunnan (Indian Ocean influence-Thai-style temp peak before rainy season), India stereotypical: Jaipur and Mangalore prototypical: Nagpur. Bhopal antistereotypical: Dras, Srinagar, Shimla, Ooty antiprototypical: Dras, Srinagar Italy stereotypical: Palermo (I think Italy is viewed as lusher than Spain, so didn't pick Catania) prototypical: Florence, Ancona (transition between med south and more continental Po plain) antistereotypical: Bolzano and to a lesser extent, Milan for cold, Spain: stereotypical: Alicante and Seville prototypical:(?) -difficult to find one as it goes from continental to coastal Catalan/Valencian quickly... Albacete has too cold winters antistereotypical: Santiago de Compostella & Gijón (wet and cool/mild), Burgos (cold) Canada: stereotypical: Saguenay or Winnipeg prototypical: Ottawa antistereotypical: Vancouver & Victoria (mild winters), Oosooyos and Windsor (warm summers), Calgary (stronger mild spells than expected during winters) Japan: stereotypical: Kagoshima (for mugginess- but a bit on the sunnier side), Kanazawa (excessive snowfall, but gloomy and drenched)? prototypical: Nagoya? antistereotypical: perhaps Okayama for being drier and sunnier, Nemuro for cool summers will add more later! Giorbanguly you would be great at South America! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 4:54:06 GMT -5
Russia: stereotypical: Novosibirsk prototypical: Moscow antistereotypical: Sochi antiprototypical: Sochi and Oymyakon Mexico: stereotypical: Mexicaliprototypical: Guadalajaraantistereotypical/antiprototypical: Toluca
Brazil: stereotypical: Belémprototypical: Rio de Janeiro antistereotypical/antiprototypical: São Joaquim and Petrolina (semi-arid) Iran: stereotypical: Ahvaz
prototypical: Tehranantistereotypical/antiprototypical: Ardabil and RashtAustralia: stereotypical: Marble Barprototypical: Sydney antistereotypical: Hobart antiprototypical: Hobart, Darwin, and Cairns |
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Post by tij on Feb 16, 2019 5:28:57 GMT -5
Russia: stereotypical: Novosibirsk prototypical: Moscow antistereotypical: Sochi antiprototypical: Sochi and Oymyakon Mexico: stereotypical: Mexicaliprototypical: Guadalajaraantistereotypical/antiprototypical: Toluca
Brazil: stereotypical: Belémprototypical: Rio de Janeiro antistereotypical/antiprototypical: Passo Fundo, and Petrolina (semi-arid) São Joaquim is also a good antistereotypical climate (not quite antiprototypical, as it's like a cooler version of Southern Brazil-- genetic patterns are not so strange). How does Toluca have strange genetic patterns compared to the rest of Mexico? It looks like a cooler and drier version of México City... Otoh, don't know anywhere besides Tijuana that has a winter precip max, so TJ could be considered more anti-prototypical perhaps. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 5:44:53 GMT -5
Russia: stereotypical: Novosibirsk prototypical: Moscow antistereotypical: Sochi antiprototypical: Sochi and Oymyakon Mexico: stereotypical: Mexicaliprototypical: Guadalajaraantistereotypical/antiprototypical: Toluca
Brazil: stereotypical: Belémprototypical: Rio de Janeiro antistereotypical/antiprototypical: Passo Fundo, and Petrolina (semi-arid) São Joaquim is also a good antistereotypical climate (not quite antiprototypical, as it's like a cooler version of Southern Brazil-- genetic patterns are not so strange). How does Toluca have strange genetic patterns compared to the rest of Mexico? It looks like a cooler and drier version of México City... Otoh, don't know anywhere besides Tijuana that has a winter precip max, so TJ could be considered more anti-prototypical perhaps. I missed São Joaquim. I added it and also edited it to add Iran and Australia. Tijuana isn't really anti-prototypical IMO as temperatures aren't so different from Mexico City, and Tijuana is semi-arid on the borderline of arid anyways so precipitation pattern hardly matters. |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Feb 16, 2019 16:49:00 GMT -5
tijHow are Ottawa and QC in different classes? They're extremely similar to each other. I'd say both are prototypical Canadian climates. Stereotypical, I'm not so sure but I would agree with Winnipeg. Japan: stereotypical: Tokyo, Shizuoka, and basically anywhere on the Pacific coast prototypical: Matsumoto, Saku, Nagano, Akita, Tottori antistereotypical: Nikkō, Naha, Shinjō (insanely snowy), Aogashima
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Post by Nidaros on Feb 16, 2019 16:49:35 GMT -5
Stereotypical Norway climate as outsiders view it:
- Kautokeino (very cold and veeery long winter, summer barely warm enough for tree growth as this is also 300 m ASL) for the part of Norway inside the Arctic Circle.
Most anti-stereotypical:
The SE coast E of Lindesnes, like Arendal, Lyngør. Pretty mild winters with little snow, and still fairly sunny and comfortable summers.
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Post by knot on Feb 16, 2019 17:03:59 GMT -5
Australia
Stereotypical = Uluru, NT; hot-desert (Bwh)
Prototypical = Cowra, NSW; borderline semi-arid (Bsk) and subtropical (Cfa)
Anti-stereotypical = Charlotte Pass, NSW; subantarctic (Dfc)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 17:48:14 GMT -5
China stereotypical: Hong Kong (average person believes Russia's southern border blocks cold air) prototypical: The old southern capitalantistereotypical: Hā'ěrbīn and Ürümqi (no monsoon) antiprototypical: Hā'ěrbīn, Ürümqi, and Kūnmíng |
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Post by tij on Feb 16, 2019 18:00:38 GMT -5
China stereotypical: Hong Kong (average person believes Russia's southern border blocks cold air) prototypical: The old southern capitalantistereotypical: Hā'ěrbīn and Ürümqi (no monsoon) antiprototypical: Hā'ěrbīn, Ürümqi, and Kūnmíng Ah... I was debating between Nanjing and Kaifeng/Luoyang/Zhengzhou, and ultimately went with the latter, since I viewed it as more of "the core" of China historically while Nanjing was a smidgen to the south- but I feel nanjing might be better as the latter 3 are a bit dry for the overall country (considering te quite wet south, and the not-so-dry Manchurian cities) Hong Kong is a good one I think for the stereotype! Think Harbin isn't quite antiprototypical since most of the country could be viewed as warmer Harbins, to a degree, with the wet-summer dry winter cycle, although winter is sunny unlike southern China. |
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Post by tij on Feb 16, 2019 18:28:47 GMT -5
tij How are Ottawa and QC in different classes? They're extremely similar to each other. I'd say both are prototypical Canadian climates. Stereotypical, I'm not so sure but I would agree with Winnipeg. Japan: stereotypical: Tokyo, Shizuoka, and basically anywhere on the Pacific coast prototypical: Matsumoto, Saku, Nagano, Akita, Tottori antistereotypical: Nikkō, Naha, Shinjō (insanely snowy), Aogashima I included Ottawa as prototypical since its more like the "mean" of the country (excluding Vancouver for the winter as a mild outlier, but including it for the summer): Toronto and Windsor are warmer, Montréal is about the same, Québec City and the prairies are colder (although Calgary has milder winter averages, if not extrema). For summers, southern Ontario is warmer, S QC is about the same, and Western Canada is cooler (Winnipeg is fairly close though). A climate can certainly be both prototypical and stereotypical, although I'd imagine stereotypical climates to have exaggerated traits relative to the median/prototypical climate. I chose Québec City as stereotypical due to snow and the hemiboreal pattern, although admittedly I should have chosen something a bit harsher, like Saguenay, and edited my Canada answer to reflect that. Saguenay has exaggerated traits (quite cold and snowy) relative to the rest of eastern Canada, and reflects the image of what most people would expect of Canadian weather. Québec city has harsher and snowier winters compared to most of Canada's population distribution (Toronto, Montréal, Vancouver, and Calgary)- roughly comparable average-wise with Edmonton, so it isn't quite as prototypical in my eyes as Ottawa/Montréal, but not too far off. Thanks for adding more information about Japan! Although I'm curious why you labeled the Pacific coast as more stereotypical than the sea of Japan coast? Somehow I associate "Japanese" climates to be insanely wet and gloomy, and noticed that the Sea-of-Japan coast had more of those features. I think I was looking for somewhere like Kagoshima, but a "gloomy" version of it... somewhere extremely wet, gloomy, definitely subtropical (a bit of snow is probably fine, but IDK if most people associate Japan with snow). Your prototypical climates actually make a lot of sense! I answered Nagoya because I was considering the population distribution more. Sendai and Hokkaido are cooler, Tokyo/Osaka the same, Fukuoka/Hiroshima/Nagasaki as warmer. You seemed to consider more the average climate in the country, which is cooler since much of Japan is quite mountainous. Good antistereotypical climates, although I feel the gloom of Shinjo is quite stereotypical myself, despite its excessive snowfall totals. |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 16, 2019 18:56:48 GMT -5
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Post by Ariete on Feb 16, 2019 19:19:57 GMT -5
Uhm, Nidaros , Lommaren : the stereotypical climates for your countries are Kautokeino and Kiruna.
Ask any foreigner and their perception of Norway's and Sweden's climate and the reply will be "-50C 11 months a year with pitch black night and one month of 24h sun and 10C".
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Post by Giorbanguly on Feb 16, 2019 19:22:47 GMT -5
China stereotypical: Hong Kong (average person believes Russia's southern border blocks cold air) prototypical: The old southern capitalantistereotypical: Hā'ěrbīn and Ürümqi (no monsoon) antiprototypical: Hā'ěrbīn, Ürümqi, and Kūnmíng lol good description. Your average person thinks that political borders can block arctic blasts and heatwaves |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Feb 16, 2019 19:25:33 GMT -5
Uhm, Nidaros , Lommaren : the stereotypical climates for your countries are Kautokeino and Kiruna.
Ask any foreigner and their perception of Norway's and Sweden's climate and the reply will be "-50C 11 months a year with pitch black night and one month of 24h sun and 10C".
Umea is a pretty good stereotype of all Nordic climates. I doubt your average person will know the differences between Sweden and Norway |
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Post by Ariete on Feb 16, 2019 19:31:19 GMT -5
Umea is a pretty good stereotype of all Nordic climates. I doubt your average person will know the differences between Sweden and Norway
True as well. Sweden, Switzerland, Denetherlands, Dutchmark. Who knows. Potato, potato.
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Post by Giorbanguly on Feb 16, 2019 20:06:26 GMT -5
I wonder what Germany's stereotypical climate is. Feel like there are not many descriptions out there. Probably snowy cloudy winters (from all the WWII movies) and mild comfy summers
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Post by sari on Feb 16, 2019 20:58:18 GMT -5
Uhm, Nidaros , Lommaren : the stereotypical climates for your countries are Kautokeino and Kiruna.
Ask any foreigner and their perception of Norway's and Sweden's climate and the reply will be "-50C 11 months a year with pitch black night and one month of 24h sun and 10C".
Can confirm that this is the prevailing perception in most of North America. When I first got really into weather, I was absolutely shocked by how similar Nordic climates were to my own climate (at the time, northeast Ohio). I had pictured all of Scandinavia as being basically Yellowknife. |
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Post by Crunch41 on Feb 16, 2019 23:31:39 GMT -5
But the stereotype is colder and snowier than that. Some people might think of Norilsk or something. Here is a good one From this threadPrototypcal: Wausau is average. Anti-stereotypical: wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?wi5148 for low snowfall. The mildest parts of the state have very little snow, 30-35" a year. Only "up north" gets a lot. Anti-Prototypical: Hurley is easily the snowiest part of the state. There isn't much variety so there are no truly unusual climates here.
Prototypical: Fairbanks. Alaska is huge, but the interior is all similar to Fairbanks in some way or another. Anti-Stereotypical: Annette has lows above freezing in winter: Unalaska has cool weather all year and a dry-summer precipitation pattern. Plus, it's UN-Alaska! Even Anchorage and Juneau are much milder than most people would think.
For the USA, here is a guess. I don't know if there is one stereotype for the country.
Stereotypical: Maybe Fargo? hot summer cold winter four-season climate. Prototypical: Kansas City, hot summers and cold winters Anti-Stereotypical: Honolulu, Miami, Coos Bay, Juneau, Leadville
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 1:12:29 GMT -5
UK
Stereotypical: Lerwick
Prototypical: Leicester
Anti-stereotypical: London/South coast
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Post by alex992 on Feb 17, 2019 1:15:10 GMT -5
But the stereotype is colder and snowier than that. Some people might think of Norilsk or something. Here is a good one From this threadPrototypcal: Wausau is average. Anti-stereotypical: wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?wi5148 for low snowfall. The mildest parts of the state have very little snow, 30-35" a year. Only "up north" gets a lot. Anti-Prototypical: Hurley is easily the snowiest part of the state. There isn't much variety so there are no truly unusual climates here.
Prototypical: Fairbanks. Alaska is huge, but the interior is all similar to Fairbanks in some way or another. Anti-Stereotypical: Annette has lows above freezing in winter: Unalaska has cool weather all year and a dry-summer precipitation pattern. Plus, it's UN-Alaska! Even Anchorage and Juneau are much milder than most people would think.
For the USA, here is a guess. I don't know if there is one stereotype for the country.
Stereotypical: Maybe Fargo? hot summer cold winter four-season climate. Prototypical: Kansas City, hot summers and cold winters Anti-Stereotypical: Honolulu, Miami, Coos Bay, Juneau, Leadville
I pretty much agree with all this, though I think Fargo might have too cold/long winters and not hot enough summers to be stereotypical USA. I would say something more south, like Des Moines for example would be stereotypical USA. Other than that, you're spot on. |
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