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Post by AJ1013 on Oct 15, 2019 11:43:26 GMT -5
I’m a complete believer in human caused global warming but shit like this is pointless virtue signaling nonsense that has zero effect whatsoever and just makes peoples lives worse. |
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Post by Speagles84 on Oct 15, 2019 12:34:19 GMT -5
: "I'm saving the environment in Helsinki eating lettuce grown in California and tofu from southeast Asia" "beef grown in Finland is so bad for the environment"
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Post by Ariete on Oct 15, 2019 13:29:40 GMT -5
Uni of Helsinki had nothing to do with it. The cafeterias are a semi-private company which gets government subsidies. They're not an NGO, but they provide affordable meals to students, and due to the cost of beef, they don't use it much anyway.
I’m a complete believer in human caused global warming but shit like this is pointless virtue signaling nonsense that has zero effect whatsoever and just makes peoples lives worse.
Agree that the decision is virtue signalling, but the cafeterias have an important role in student communities. Students get an affordable meal for a very low price (€2.70), which is a valuable tool for combating obesity for example.
: "I'm saving the environment in Helsinki eating lettuce grown in California and tofu from southeast Asia" "beef grown in Finland is so bad for the environment"
We don't use Californian lettuce or Brazilian beef, but support our local farmers and think it's an honourable and patriotic thing to do. Greenhouse-grown tomatoes in the middle of the winter might not be per se the most desirable choice, but it's not more damaging to the environment than imported goods, especially if the greenhouses are powered by renewables.
IDK where that tofu shit came from. Maybe you should start to support your local salt-of-the-earth farmers as well. In Murica you feed your kids at school with all kinds of shit, but we here in the civilised world still have morals.
You would probably give meth as school lunches as long as your taxes aren't being raised.
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Post by Speagles84 on Oct 15, 2019 16:39:15 GMT -5
Uni of Helsinki had nothing to do with it. The cafeterias are a semi-private company which gets government subsidies. They're not an NGO, but they provide affordable meals to students, and due to the cost of beef, they don't use it much anyway. I’m a complete believer in human caused global warming but shit like this is pointless virtue signaling nonsense that has zero effect whatsoever and just makes peoples lives worse. Agree that the decision is virtue signalling, but the cafeterias have an important role in student communities. Students get an affordable meal for a very low price (€2.70), which is a valuable tool for combating obesity for example. : "I'm saving the environment in Helsinki eating lettuce grown in California and tofu from southeast Asia" "beef grown in Finland is so bad for the environment" We don't use Californian lettuce or Brazilian beef, but support our local farmers and think it's an honourable and patriotic thing to do. Greenhouse-grown tomatoes in the middle of the winter might not be per se the most desirable choice, but it's not more damaging to the environment than imported goods, especially if the greenhouses are powered by renewables.
IDK where that tofu shit came from. Maybe you should start to support your local salt-of-the-earth farmers as well. In Murica you feed your kids at school with all kinds of shit, but we here in the civilised world still have morals. You would probably give meth as school lunches as long as your taxes aren't being raised.
This wasn't indicative of what I think you eat. It was merely to poke fun at the Helsinki uni students. But as you came towards my carbon footprint I guess I'll have to outline my food sources. *~50% of my meat I hunt *I have a large garden that supplies me with a ton of produce. *I belong to a CSA (Crop sharing association) which supplies me with my remaining produce grown right down the road from me at an organic farm Also, just so you know, I ALWAYS have said I support public funds for education. Never once have I said to cut taxes used for that. Straw man argument at it's finest. |
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Post by Speagles84 on Oct 15, 2019 18:44:23 GMT -5
Climate change!
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Post by omegaraptor on Oct 22, 2019 14:48:24 GMT -5
One of the most ridiculous doomsday tweets I’ve seen.
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Post by Hiromant on Oct 22, 2019 15:10:42 GMT -5
Add it to the list:
1. 1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
2. 1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989 (1969)
3. 1970: Ice Age By 2000
4. 1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070
7. 1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
8. 1974: Another Ice Age?
9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph)
10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
11. 1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes (additional link)
12. 1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend (additional link)
13. 1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
14. 1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
15. 1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
16. 1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
17. 1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
18. 2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow Is
19. 2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
21. 2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
22. 2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
23. 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
24. 2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to ‘Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
25. 2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
26. 2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015 (additional link)
27. 2014: Only 500 Days Before ‘Climate Chaos’
28. 1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
29. 1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
30. 1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
31. 1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
32. 1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
33. 1980: Peak Oil In 2000
34. 1996: Peak Oil in 2020
35. 2002: Peak Oil in 2010
36. 2006: Super Hurricanes!
37. 2005 : Manhattan Underwater by 2015
38. 1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
39. 1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
40. 1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
41. 1970s: Killer Bees!
Update: I’ve added 9 additional failed predictions (via Real Climate Science) below to make it an even 50 for the number of failed eco-pocalyptic doomsday predictions over the last 50 years.
42. 1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
43. 1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
44. 1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminum
45. 1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
46. 1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
47. 2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
48. 2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
49.1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming
50. 2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter
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Post by Ariete on Oct 22, 2019 15:56:08 GMT -5
What's that list? A secret one the aliens recovered from Area 51 after getting the directions from the Pyramids and the Nazca lines?
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Post by knot on Oct 22, 2019 16:00:31 GMT -5
Add it to the list: 5. 1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030 6. 1972: New Ice Age By 2070 8. 1974: Another Ice Age? 9. 1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life (data and graph) 10. 1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent 20. 2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024 Above are the predictions that have actually turned out to be true.^ |
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Post by Hiromant on Oct 24, 2019 2:20:18 GMT -5
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Post by aabc123 on Oct 27, 2019 14:12:24 GMT -5
Imo it is right not to talk about climate warming, but about climate change. Or if you want- about warming up again. The 1960s and 70s up to 80ies was obviously the worst era of the century with very poor summers here. Even the July 1981-2010 averages are still barely same and sometimes still cooler than they were in the early 20th century. My mother remembers that in the 1950s tomatoes were grown outdoors even in northern Estonia. But I remember in my childhood they were grown in greenhouses.
Well, all of this didn't obstruct us from supplying healthy agricultural products to Russia to the ancestors of persons like Gior (whose "gratitude" I have had so nice opportunity to experience ) not to mention that we had everything healthy for ourselves and we didn't eat any chemistry-filled odd Polish apples back then.
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Post by Hiromant on Oct 28, 2019 7:03:17 GMT -5
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Oct 29, 2019 21:11:21 GMT -5
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Post by Ariete on Oct 31, 2019 12:31:15 GMT -5
The science has always been settled   
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Post by Hiromant on Nov 1, 2019 3:44:36 GMT -5
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Post by nei on Nov 8, 2019 10:13:12 GMT -5
neat animation of the greenhouse effect
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Post by nei on Nov 20, 2019 9:19:27 GMT -5
nice diagram of the greenhouse effect some more absorption spectrum plots
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Post by Hiromant on Nov 23, 2019 6:32:13 GMT -5
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Post by Nidaros on Nov 23, 2019 16:51:26 GMT -5
Mean annual temperature at some coastal stations with long observation period. Oksøy fyr - Oksøy lighthouse at the south coast, on an island. Nordøyan - lighthouse on an island along the coast 200 km N of Trondheim. Vardø Radio - near Vardø in the far NE corner poking out into the Barents Sea, Vardø island. Very long observation period, so very valuable.
Prior to 1966, many years at Vardø Radio - at least 12 years - recorded mean annual at or below 0C/freezing. Last year was 1966 (annual mean -0.2C), all years later has been warmer than 0C at Vardø.
2014 was the first year ever to record mean annual as warm as 10C (two stations in the SW).
Source: Norsk Klimaservicesenter/Norwegian Meteorological Institute.
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Post by nei on Nov 23, 2019 23:47:25 GMT -5
wonder if Vardø come warm enough to support a forest or would the wind check tree growth? Nidaros |
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