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Post by Hiromant on Nov 24, 2019 9:04:30 GMT -5
Apparently winters have got so warm in Finland that summer tires will soon be allowed in winter - weather permitting, lol. Note that summer tires start to harden and lose their properties below 7°C and are completely useless in any sort of snow or ice. RIP to all future victims of even more Nordic idiocy.
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Post by Nidaros on Nov 24, 2019 9:48:43 GMT -5
wonder if Vardø come warm enough to support a forest or would the wind check tree growth? Nidaros Wind certainly is a factor out on Vardø island. In sheltered spots facing south it might get more like the closest neighbor on the mainland of the Varanger Peninsula, the town of Vadsø (not very imaginative wrt naming up there). Treeline in Vadsø is about 200 m ASL.
This is Skogsholm just north of Vadsø, image courtesy of Det Norske Hageselskap:
Town of Vadsø on Varanger peninsula (Image cred: Store Norske Leksikon): |
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Post by Ariete on Nov 24, 2019 10:11:42 GMT -5
Apparently winters have got so warm in Finland that summer tires will soon be allowed in winter - weather permitting, lol. Note that summer tires start to harden and lose their properties below 7°C and are completely useless in any sort of snow or ice. RIP to all future victims of even more Nordic idiocy.
I don't see the problem here. This just means that you don't have to change tyres because of calendar dates.
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Post by Hiromant on Nov 24, 2019 10:19:30 GMT -5
Apparently winters have got so warm in Finland that summer tires will soon be allowed in winter - weather permitting, lol. Note that summer tires start to harden and lose their properties below 7°C and are completely useless in any sort of snow or ice. RIP to all future victims of even more Nordic idiocy.
I don't see the problem here. This just means that you don't have to change tyres because of calendar dates.
Maybe, but even with mandatory winter tires we still get wrecks and dead bodies every year because some people think a blizzard isn't reason enough to switch. Doesn't seem like the law should be any more lax. |
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Post by Ariete on Nov 24, 2019 10:24:46 GMT -5
Maybe, but even with mandatory winter tires we still get wrecks and dead bodies every year because some people think a blizzard isn't reason enough to switch. Doesn't seem like the law should be any more lax.
As we see from your example, mandatory winter tyres doesn't affect idiots. I think the only people who would take advantage of the new law are people who drive very little, and mostly people in the south.
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Post by nei on Nov 24, 2019 13:31:41 GMT -5
I don't see the problem here. This just means that you don't have to change tyres because of calendar dates.
Maybe, but even with mandatory winter tires we still get wrecks and dead bodies every year because some people think a blizzard isn't reason enough to switch. Doesn't seem like the law should be any more lax. they don't plow the roads there ? I lived in a climate with snowy winters and didn't use winter tires as town roads were fine, though I could often not drive and take the bus. |
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Post by Ariete on Nov 24, 2019 13:41:36 GMT -5
they don't plow the roads there ? I lived in a climate with snowy winters and didn't use winter tires as town roads were fine, though I could often not drive and take the bus.
Of course we do.
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Post by urania93 on Nov 24, 2019 14:48:42 GMT -5
Back in my region winter tires (or snow chains on board, to be used when needed) are compulsory from November 15 to April 15. I should check for the rules here in France too...
Anyway, without those it would definitively be hard to climb up to my home by car when it's snowing, for example. Other than these extreme cases, winter tires should generally work better with low temps in general too.
Lately there are also some sellers providing tires which are approved for all the seasons, so people who don't drive much are actually largely turning to those.
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Post by knot on Nov 25, 2019 21:54:34 GMT -5
They've also conveniently left out the 800-900 m AMSL snowfall in Central-Northern VIC and Southern NSW. Such low-level snowfall is not normal for November at these latitudes, at all; exceptionally cold. |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Nov 25, 2019 23:36:40 GMT -5
They've also conveniently left out the 800-900 m AMSL snowfall in Central-Northern VIC and Southern NSW. Such low-level snowfall is not normal for November at these latitudes, at all; exceptionally cold. Doesn't fit their narrative and thus makes them look bad. Pitiful. |
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Post by knot on Nov 27, 2019 6:33:18 GMT -5
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Post by nei on Nov 29, 2019 22:24:00 GMT -5
On another note: What these city-dwelling folk don't realise is that driving electric vehicles in rural areas will never work. Especially COLD rural areas in countries like Canada and Russia. Teslas and other electric cars are popular in rural Norway delivery vehicles electric would be sweet; they spew dirty exhaust and make a ton of noise while they idle |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Nov 29, 2019 22:53:47 GMT -5
On another note: What these city-dwelling folk don't realise is that driving electric vehicles in rural areas will never work. Especially COLD rural areas in countries like Canada and Russia. Teslas and other electric cars are popular in rural Norway delivery vehicles electric would be sweet; they spew dirty exhaust and make a ton of noise while they idle I wholeheartedly agree with your second point about delivery vehicles idling. I do walk around a lot and it pisses me off when I have to be exposed to toxic exhaust. I'm not against electric vehicles themselves. I just hate these who are producing them now and definitely won't be supporting them. Maybe other manufacturers though. Namely, German ones. |
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Post by Nidaros on Nov 30, 2019 18:29:17 GMT -5
Since 1961, temperature has increased by 5.6C in Longyearbyen. Some months have been 12-14C warmer than normal. Imagine that happening in your city!
Temperature has increased by 2C in Oslo in the same time frame.
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Post by knot on Nov 30, 2019 18:40:23 GMT -5
Since 1961, temperature has increased by 5.6C in Longyearbyen. Some months have been 12-14C warmer than normal. Imagine that happening in your city! Temperature has increased by 2C in Oslo in the same time frame. Svalbard Lufthavn:  This is from Berkeley Earth, mind you—a source you had previously used. |
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Post by Nidaros on Nov 30, 2019 19:10:51 GMT -5
My source is Met.no interview with K. Isaksen, climate researcher, living part of his time in Longyearbyen. How many years used in moving average is important. A steep rise in temps will be smoothed by using many years in an average.
Melting permafrost is causing problems for buildings in Longyearbyen, and lack of sea ice is causing increased erosion. The isfjord (icefjord) now might lack ice altogether.
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Post by nei on Nov 30, 2019 22:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by Nidaros on Dec 1, 2019 5:59:48 GMT -5
Yeah, that is for a fairly large region, of which most is sea. Jan Mayen is for instance more oceanic. Longyearbyen itself is pretty far into a fjord and less oceanic. The 1930s were a mild period up there, but not as warm as now. Last 50 years winters have warmed by 2-3C pr decade according to this research paper by met.no: met.no - temperatures svalbard |
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Post by jgtheone on Dec 1, 2019 7:22:23 GMT -5
We didn't get it, but tomorrow is set to be 15C. |
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Post by Hiromant on Dec 2, 2019 2:31:51 GMT -5
Greta let the cat out of the bag. Surprise, it was never about climate change at all, it was about achieving leftist political goals. Her handlers are getting sloppy. |
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Best part is how this dribble contradicts itself in the second and last paragraph 
Ofcourse, the vastly below avg temps this spring racing carnival, besides that one 40C day - which did not feature any horse race, are conveniently left out, as is Melbourne's already low long term November high of 22.6C. 
