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Post by Babu on Oct 10, 2017 11:32:37 GMT -5
Haparanda gets a few that I know of. Also, Gällivare gets an hour of the sun being just above 0 degrees at winter solstice in spite of being 100 km above it, incredibly enough  It's not really visible though when it's that low, so it'll still feel like bright civil twilight. On a north coast you'll see it, so just go out on the Norrbothnian archipelagoes. |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 10, 2017 12:14:31 GMT -5
My sweet spot for the difference in daylight hours between summer/winter and the long twilights is 57 latitude, but in terms of weather anywhere further north than where I live at 54 and the winters drag on too much and the sun's too weak for too long. Not that you would be able to notice any difference in the sun strength... |
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Post by boombo on Oct 10, 2017 12:23:33 GMT -5
My sweet spot for the difference in daylight hours between summer/winter and the long twilights is 57 latitude, but in terms of weather anywhere further north than where I live at 54 and the winters drag on too much and the sun's too weak for too long. Not that you would be able to notice any difference in the sun strength... Not sure about that, granted the midday sun in midsummer would essentially feel the same, but the first day in spring when you can feel the sun has a proper warming effect would still come a week or so later at 57N and the last day in late summer when the sun feels strong enough to be worth sunbathing in would still come a week or so earlier. I could notice a difference of about a week at either end of the season when I lived in London, and that's the same difference of 3 degrees. I went to Düsseldorf for a weekend in March this year as well which is also 3 degrees further south than where I live, and "Yeah, their sun feels that little bit stronger than ours..." |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 10, 2017 12:29:03 GMT -5
Not sure about that, granted the midday sun in midsummer would essentially feel the same, but the first day in spring when you can feel the sun has a proper warming effect would still come a week or so later at 57N and the last day in late summer when the sun feels strong enough to be worth sunbathing in would still come a week or so earlier. I could notice a difference of about a week at either end of the season when I lived in London, and that's the same difference of 3 degrees. I went to Düsseldorf for a weekend in March this year as well which is also 3 degrees further south than where I live, and "Yeah, their sun feels that little bit stronger than ours..." Make-belief. If you really can determine sun strength by only being outside, take contact with the local university. Or NASA. Or Fox Mulder. |
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Post by boombo on Oct 10, 2017 12:41:20 GMT -5
Not sure about that, granted the midday sun in midsummer would essentially feel the same, but the first day in spring when you can feel the sun has a proper warming effect would still come a week or so later at 57N and the last day in late summer when the sun feels strong enough to be worth sunbathing in would still come a week or so earlier. I could notice a difference of about a week at either end of the season when I lived in London, and that's the same difference of 3 degrees. I went to Düsseldorf for a weekend in March this year as well which is also 3 degrees further south than where I live, and "Yeah, their sun feels that little bit stronger than ours..." Make-belief. If you really can determine sun strength by only being outside, take contact with the local university. Or NASA. Or Fox Mulder. I don't see what's so hard to understand here or why you always feel the need to make these snarky remarks. If somebody's idea of when the sun starts to feel pleasant to sit out in in spring comes when it hits e.g. 30 degrees at midday, that date is obviously going to come a bit earlier at 54N to at 57N, and the reverse in the autumn. For somebody like me who takes an interest in this sort of thing then yes, I would notice and have noticed the difference over the years if I moved somewhere new. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 13:06:35 GMT -5
Make-belief. If you really can determine sun strength by only being outside, take contact with the local university. Or NASA. Or Fox Mulder. I don't see what's so hard to understand here or why you always feel the need to make these snarky remarks. If somebody's idea of when the sun starts to feel pleasant to sit out in in spring comes when it hits e.g. 30 degrees at midday, that date is obviously going to come a bit earlier at 54N to at 57N, and the reverse in the autumn. For somebody like me who takes an interest in this sort of thing then yes, I would notice and have noticed the difference over the years if I moved somewhere new. I've noticed that, he seems to be in a constant state of passive-aggression. I thought Finns were supposed to be happy people?  |
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Post by Ryan on Oct 10, 2017 13:11:43 GMT -5
I don't see what's so hard to understand here or why you always feel the need to make these snarky remarks. If somebody's idea of when the sun starts to feel pleasant to sit out in in spring comes when it hits e.g. 30 degrees at midday, that date is obviously going to come a bit earlier at 54N to at 57N, and the reverse in the autumn. For somebody like me who takes an interest in this sort of thing then yes, I would notice and have noticed the difference over the years if I moved somewhere new. I've noticed that, he seems to be in a constant state of passive-aggression. I thought Finns were supposed to be happy people? Must be those crummers!  |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 10, 2017 13:27:07 GMT -5
Make-belief. If you really can determine sun strength by only being outside, take contact with the local university. Or NASA. Or Fox Mulder. I don't see what's so hard to understand here or why you always feel the need to make these snarky remarks. If somebody's idea of when the sun starts to feel pleasant to sit out in in spring comes when it hits e.g. 30 degrees at midday, that date is obviously going to come a bit earlier at 54N to at 57N, and the reverse in the autumn. For somebody like me who takes an interest in this sort of thing then yes, I would notice and have noticed the difference over the years if I moved somewhere new. Ok, let's jump forward to April 2018. . At 11 AM the sun is at 32 degrees in Turku and 39 in Skipton. At 16:00 on 15 April the sun is at 32 degrees in Turku and 34 degrees in Skipton.' If you can determine the difference you must be some kind of superhuman. |
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Post by alex992 on Oct 10, 2017 13:29:13 GMT -5
I think the difference might be more noticeable at higher latitudes since the sun is low enough anyways. I can't really tell the difference between 26 N and 29 N (which would be about Daytona Beach) in terms of the sun, I can tell the difference once you get to about 32 N though, especially in winter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 13:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by Hiromant on Oct 10, 2017 14:19:47 GMT -5
Low Arctic, on the northern edge of taiga. Reasonably warm summers, fabulous light conditions, great winters.
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Post by Nidaros on Oct 10, 2017 15:58:30 GMT -5
47-48N is ideal for me. pitch black summer nights, but still enough variation throughout the year. In terms of day length variety, somewhere like 65 N is ideal. Very wide range in day length without 24 hours of darkness or brightness. In terms of climate, far inland climates between about 45 N and 60 N is ideal for me. you pretty much have 24h summer brightness at 65N, though. even at 62-63N you get annoyingly bright summer nights. Confirmed. We have ca 2 months in summer withouth any darkness. Can read the newspaper outside at midnight, even if we don't have the proper midnight sun. |
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Post by bizzy on Oct 10, 2017 18:30:50 GMT -5
Upper 20’s to lower 30’s.
I voted 30-40 though. 20-ish is a bit too low imo.
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Post by Hiromant on Oct 11, 2017 1:08:00 GMT -5
47-48N is ideal for me. pitch black summer nights, but still enough variation throughout the year. you pretty much have 24h summer brightness at 65N, though. even at 62-63N you get annoyingly bright summer nights. Confirmed. We have ca 2 months in summer withouth any darkness. Can read the newspaper outside at midnight, even if we don't have the proper midnight sun. What's your location? Add it to the bottom location field on your profile so others can see. |
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Post by yankeefan93 on Oct 11, 2017 3:01:57 GMT -5
35°N-45°N would be ideal for me.
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Post by Babu on Oct 11, 2017 4:16:11 GMT -5
Confirmed. We have ca 2 months in summer withouth any darkness. Can read the newspaper outside at midnight, even if we don't have the proper midnight sun. What's your location? Add it to the bottom location field on your profile so others can see. He's Jakobsli. He lives in Trondheim. |
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Post by Hiromant on Oct 11, 2017 5:31:37 GMT -5
Ah. Strange that so many people feel the need to change their names in here.
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Post by boombo on Oct 11, 2017 7:09:52 GMT -5
One thing I wish it was possible to work out is the "feel" temperature caused by the sun at different strengths the way they do it with humidity and windchill, i.e. 20C shade temp and sunny at 2 pm on 21st June at 50N feels like X in the sun while 20C shade temp and sunny at 2 pm on 21st September at 50N feels like Y in the sun. Too many other variables at play to isolate just that one, I guess. |
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Post by Babu on Oct 11, 2017 8:05:53 GMT -5
One thing I wish it was possible to work out is the "feel" temperature caused by the sun at different strengths the way they do it with humidity and windchill, i.e. 20C shade temp and sunny at 2 pm on 21st June at 50N feels like X in the sun while 20C shade temp and sunny at 2 pm on 21st September at 50N feels like Y in the sun. Too many other variables at play to isolate just that one, I guess. The thing about sun is the wind makes such an exponential difference. If it's 7'C and sunny, rhe difference between 0.0m/s and 0.1m/s is absolutely huge. Just lying still will feel 10 degrees warmer than walking about just from the wind movement from walking. 14'C and sunny can make you sweat easily in shorts and t-shirt, but as soon as there's a tiny breeze, you can start freezing again. |
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Post by Cadeau on Oct 19, 2017 14:55:03 GMT -5
Climate Wise
East Coast of North America(Atlantic Side): 40~43°N
West Coast of North America(Pacific Side): 35~50°N
Western Europe: 42~60°N
East Asia: 37~42°N
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Astrology(Sunrise/Sunset) Wise
In General: 42~54°N
I prefer to have at least 6~7 hours of night even on the longest day of the year(summer solstice).
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