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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 5:08:36 GMT -5
More importantly, imo, just because she doesn't burn when wearing sunscreen, or when wearing spf make-up, or when going to the beach at 4pm, or when she's only outside for a few hours, moving around letting the sun hit different parts of her body instead of just one spot, or just because it doesn't hurt or look super lobster red, doesn't mean she can't burn at 5 UVI. It's very different to sit with your face facing directly towards the sun for hours, and walking around, sitting in the shade etc. And you don't have to look obviously lobster red, or hurt, just because you've burnt. Also, the darker your skin the harder it is to visibly tell that you've burnt. People with darker skin, and people with less shallow blood vessels, won't have as clearly visible a red tint when they do burn. I remember my friend never looked like he was sunburnt, maybe a sliiiiiiiight purplish tone on the cheeks just below the eyes, but really you'd never look at him and say he looked burnt. Then a few days later his skin looked like this:
Exactly. I in 2019 I burnt for the first time since like 2002 (in Finland), and that was because I was outside without a shirt from like 9 to 19, which was extreme.
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Post by Babu on May 11, 2021 5:27:14 GMT -5
I even managed to burn in the very beginning of April last year when there was snow on the ground and there was an ozone hole over the arctic, and I used to be one of those people who "believes I don't burn in Sweden", and I've always considered myself being less susceptible to burning compared to the average Swede. This was on April 6th 2020. Important to keep in mind is also that people at these latitudes don't see any substantial UV radiation between mid-August and April really. It's not that people's skin is naturally paler in Northern Sweden, it's just that in April, these people won't have seen pigment-inducing sunlight for nearly 9 months. Try comparing the skin tone of your arm vs your asscheek mid-winter and you'll see that there's still a difference.  |
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Post by Doña Jimena on May 11, 2021 5:27:32 GMT -5
I think I do have a bit darker skin tone than you, not very much, but I am darker. Still, I think the vast majority of people do not need any skin protection at UVI 5. Only albinos, people with a very light skin, need it. Idk, males tend to have more pigmentation on average. I haven't really had a single female friend or partner that's tanned easier than me, and usually there's a rather significant difference. My best friend burnt to the point of his face flaking really badly in August 2019 at 68'N when the maximum sun angle was only about 40°, similar to the beginning of September in Riga. He's pretty dark by nordic standards. I don't really know anyone with darker skin than him, only have white friends. But I've seen lots of very brown-skinned people with hefty sunburns in Umeå (whether the dark skin is from a tan or from a naturally dark skin tone doesn't really matter), and I know my ex's boyfriend who's an afghan has burnt pretty badly in April here. I think males and females have the same pigmentation, depending on genetics. Saami people are obviously darker than Swedes.  I would estimate that I am like 10-12 on that scale (considering that 50% of my ancestry is from the 12-14 zone), obviously European, but I am not like lightest Swedes and Finns being 1 to 3. |
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Post by Babu on May 11, 2021 5:32:36 GMT -5
Idk, males tend to have more pigmentation on average. I haven't really had a single female friend or partner that's tanned easier than me, and usually there's a rather significant difference. My best friend burnt to the point of his face flaking really badly in August 2019 at 68'N when the maximum sun angle was only about 40°, similar to the beginning of September in Riga. He's pretty dark by nordic standards. I don't really know anyone with darker skin than him, only have white friends. But I've seen lots of very brown-skinned people with hefty sunburns in Umeå (whether the dark skin is from a tan or from a naturally dark skin tone doesn't really matter), and I know my ex's boyfriend who's an afghan has burnt pretty badly in April here. I think males and females have the same pigmentation, depending on genetics. Saami people are obviously darker than Swedes. I would estimate that I am like 10-12 on that scale (considering that 50% of my ancestry is from the 12-14 zone), obviously European, but I am not like lightest Swedes and Finns being 1 to 3. Nah, women have noticably less pigmentation on average. It's believed to be because of their substantially greater need for vitamin D production during pregnancy. In pretty much every relationship among people I know, it's always the guy in the relationship who is "the one who tans easier". Then there are of course factors that complicate the actual phenotype we experience when looking at people on the street, things like women being more prone to wearing sunscreen, wearing makeup, as well as tanning lotions and tanning salons, than men are. |
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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 5:45:16 GMT -5
Saami people are obviously darker than Swedes.
Not so sure about that. These people are all Sami:
I would estimate that I am like 10-12 on that scale (considering that 50% of my ancestry is from the 12-14 zone), obviously European, but I am not like lightest Swedes and Finns being 1 to 3.
On the Fitzpatrick Scale the most common skin type in Finns is III with some 55% being that. Only one in ten Finns is I on the Fitzpatrick scale.
edit: actually it's 60% and 3-5%:
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Post by Doña Jimena on May 11, 2021 6:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by Doña Jimena on May 11, 2021 6:26:25 GMT -5
Saami people are obviously darker than Swedes. Not so sure about that. These people are all Sami:
On average, Samis are darker than Swedes. For example, Jon Henrik Fjällgren is a Swedish-Sámi singer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Henrik_Fj%C3%A4llgrenOn the Fitzpatrick Scale the most common skin type in Finns is III with some 55% being that. Only one in ten Finns is I on the Fitzpatrick scale. I don't understand how most Finns are III, because I think I am probably III myself. |
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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 6:33:53 GMT -5
I don't understand how most Finns are III, because I think I am probably III myself.
Because you are 50% Latvian and 50% Ukrainian, both very high latitude, low sunshine ethnicities. In general, the big difference in pigmentation in North, Central and Eastern Europe is between individuals, not ethnicities.
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Post by Babu on May 11, 2021 7:35:12 GMT -5
Not so sure about that. These people are all Sami:
On average, Samis are darker than Swedes. For example, Jon Henrik Fjällgren is a Swedish-Sámi singer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Henrik_Fj%C3%A4llgrenOn the Fitzpatrick Scale the most common skin type in Finns is III with some 55% being that. Only one in ten Finns is I on the Fitzpatrick scale. I don't understand how most Finns are III, because I think I am probably III myself. Jon Henrik Fjällgren was adopted from Colombia. There are some Samish people that do seem substantially darker than normal nordic people though. Maxida Märäk is a sami artist who's unusually dark skinned, and from what I've been able to read about her, her parents are both Swedish.  This sami girl went to my school.   (Off-topic but this girl is among the most beautiful people I've ever seen in my life) Nvm, that second girl is apparently half-caribbean. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Post by AJ1013 on May 11, 2021 7:43:48 GMT -5
Oh, is that why I get a pounding headache in a matter of minutes from staying in the summer sun without a hat, but in the winter I don't feel a thing? (Mind you it's not temperature—summers are mild as fuck here). I'm pretty sure the differences in UV index can be felt…and very easily at that. I've never heard of UV radiation causing pounding headaches. It started out as a joke but maybe you should visit a doctor. I’ve gotten sun induced headaches before but after hours, not minutes lol. |
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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 8:11:20 GMT -5
There are some Samish people that do seem substantially darker than normal nordic people though. Maxida Märäk is a sami artist who's unusually dark skinned, and from what I've been able to read about her, her parents are both Swedish.
Why does she have a fish bait hook in her nose?
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Post by alex992 on May 11, 2021 9:05:19 GMT -5
Warming up rather quickly this morning, had a low of 73 F (22.8 C) and it's already up to 84 F (28.9 C) as of 10 am with a 71 F (21.7 C) dew point, predicted high is 91 F (32.8 C) with a 30% chance of thunderstorms. Very summery day today.
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Post by Doña Jimena on May 11, 2021 12:30:47 GMT -5
High 25.2C in Riga, hotter in the West
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Post by Babu on May 11, 2021 13:30:18 GMT -5
A 26.7'C highest temp today (of the reporting stations, it could be some more stations will start reporting until 21.00). Örnsköldsvik airport 70km SW of Umeå, at the same distance from the sea, and 100m higher in altitude, recorded a high of 16.8'C. Umeå recorded a high of 11.4'C. The whole day was misty and overcast, both here and there. What's also noteworthy is that the warmest hourly reading was 10.0'C. An inter-hour temp reading differing by 1.4'C is pretty unusual. Klabböle, where I was two days ago, just a kilometer west of the city border was 15.4'C. So a 4'C difference between the western and eastern end of Umeå, despite there being no sun.
What's even more ridiculous is Skagsudde, a station on the immediate coast 22km immediately south of Örnsköldsvik Airport, recorded a high of 7.0'C, 9.8'C colder, despite Skagsudde even being sunny. Örnsköldsvik airport is 13km from the coast, and we can assume the coast was the same there as at Skagsudde a few kilometers further south, meaning Örnsköldsvik Airport, at 100m ASL was 10'C warmer than the coast, despite the weather being cloudy, and despite only being 13km from the sea!
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Post by aabc123 on May 11, 2021 16:48:22 GMT -5
High in Võru 24.7c, the warmest was Tallinn with 26.4c.
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Post by Met.Data on May 11, 2021 16:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by Strewthless on May 11, 2021 17:47:56 GMT -5
Couple of storms here today aswell. Some strikes sounded really close, thrilling stuff. Screenshot taken in afternoon, got closer to me in the evening. |
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Post by Met.Data on May 11, 2021 17:54:45 GMT -5
This was the storm as it appeared on radar, folks could see the storm cloud from SE England apparently.  |
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Post by dunnowhattoputhere on May 11, 2021 18:08:34 GMT -5
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Post by rozenn on May 11, 2021 18:46:33 GMT -5
Great stuff, apart from the casualty.  Here are the 24-hour totals from that rain band yesterday in SE France. Up to 265 mm (10.4") about 100 km S of Lyon. The 100 mm+ (4"+) zone is 300 km long:  |
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