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Post by jetshnl on May 10, 2021 10:47:01 GMT -5
Hobart, easily.
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Post by knot on May 10, 2021 16:08:10 GMT -5
And you call yourself a weather enthusiast?  Hobart has literally same shit every day. Ummm no it doesn't. Anyways what's so fun about –20° C high pressure rubbish? If it's gonna be low-action, high pressure "weather", then it might as well be comfortable. |
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Post by Beercules on May 10, 2021 16:11:59 GMT -5
Windsor, Because I get proper winters, and summers. Although I don't trust that Real feel index of 52 C. Canadian humidex is well known fake news. |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on May 10, 2021 20:38:31 GMT -5
Despite its bad crummers, I vote Hobart over Windsor which is much too cold and snowy in winter
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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 0:43:51 GMT -5
Ummm no it doesn't. Anyways what's so fun about –20° C high pressure rubbish? If it's gonna be low-action, high pressure "weather", then it might as well be comfortable.
I'm pretty certain Windsor sees a lot more "action" in winter than Hobart.
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Post by greysrigging on May 11, 2021 1:30:49 GMT -5
Ummm no it doesn't. Anyways what's so fun about –20° C high pressure rubbish? If it's gonna be low-action, high pressure "weather", then it might as well be comfortable.
I'm pretty certain Windsor sees a lot more "action" in winter than Hobart.
I guess the winter is in the eye of the beholder. Hobart being on an island in the Southern Ocean gets its fair share of very changeable weather conditions. The higher altitude suburbs on the slopes of Mt Wellington see a dusting of snow most winters, of course snow at sea level is as rare as rocking horse shit, but it does happen occaisionally, with the July 1986 dump bringing the CBD to a standstill. In fact there is low altitude snowfalls across Tasmania today, including Mt Wellington above Hobart. Hobart July 1986 |
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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 1:51:09 GMT -5
I guess the winter is in the eye of the beholder. Hobart being on an island in the Southern Ocean gets its fair share of very changeable weather conditions. The higher altitude suburbs on the slopes of Mt Wellington see a dusting of snow most winters, of course snow at sea level is as rare as rocking horse shit, but it does happen occaisionally, with the July 1986 dump bringing the CBD to a standstill. In fact there is low altitude snowfalls across Tasmania today, including Mt Wellington above Hobart. Hobart July 1986
Sure, but Angler's dream climate gets 170 cm of snow on average, which is something Hobart never can deliver, while Windsor can. And then he says that he wouldn't like -20C high-pressure cold. That is fine, but Windsor's averages already prove that those conditions are only outliers which don't happen even every year, while the rest of the winter sees quite different weather. Windsor sees a lot of variability in winter, with cloudy cold, sunny cold, autumnlike rainstorms, fog, double-digit highs with sun etc etc.
You not liking cold winters it makes perfect sense you choose Hobart, but for him actually liking snow and moderate cold, it makes no sense for me that he goes with Hobart, which can go the whole year without a single freeze.
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Post by knot on May 11, 2021 2:47:53 GMT -5
Sure, but Angler's dream climate gets 170 cm of snow on average, which is something Hobart never can deliver, while Windsor can. And then he says that he wouldn't like -20C high-pressure cold. That is fine, but Windsor's averages already prove that those conditions are only outliers which don't happen even every year, while the rest of the winter sees quite different weather. Windsor sees a lot of variability in winter, with cloudy cold, sunny cold, autumnlike rainstorms, fog, double-digit highs with sun etc etc.
You not liking cold winters it makes perfect sense you choose Hobart, but for him actually liking snow and moderate cold, it makes no sense for me that he goes with Hobart, which can go the whole year without a single freeze.
My dream climate also averages –1.4° / 6.6° C in the coldest month, which is in fact closer to Hobart's averages than to Windsor's. Another reason I'm not choosing Windsor is because of the gay warm fronts (37 cm smowfall for 62 mm total precip is downright criminal for such polar averages as –7° / 0° C, sorry). |
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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 3:08:54 GMT -5
My dream climate also averages –1.4° / 6.6° C in the coldest month, which is in fact closer to Hobart's averages than to Windsor's. Another reason I'm not choosing Windsor is because of the gay warm fronts (37 cm smowfall for 62 mm total precip is downright criminal for such polar averages as –7° / 0° C, sorry).
If your averages are 6.6C/-1.4C warm fronts must be a common feature in your dream climate, no?
Windsor's precipitation to snow ratios are very typical to cold-winter humid continental climates. Nothing out of the ordinary. Severe subarctic climates have very different ratios with much more snow %, but that is because they get these -20C high-pressure conditions (which you hate) for most of the winter.
You don't make any sense here.
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Post by knot on May 11, 2021 3:17:38 GMT -5
If your averages are 6.6C/-1.4C warm fronts must be a common feature in your dream climate, no?
Windsor's precipitation to snow ratios are very typical to cold-winter humid continental climates. Nothing out of the ordinary. Severe subarctic climates have very different ratios with much more snow %, but that is because they get these -20C high-pressure conditions (which you hate) for most of the winter. You don't make any sense here.
No, warm fronts don't exist in my dream climate nor in Australian climatology. Warm fronts = warm + wet weather, which is shown very clearly in Windsor by the fact that it gets so much rainfall with –7° / 0° C averages. Compare to, say, the Australian Alps: they have similar averages to Windsor, but winter rainfall is very little relative to snowfall amounts (basically only pre-frontal rain in winter). My dream climate has 53.9 cm in Jul for 122.5 mm…with much warmer averages than Windsor. I think it's pretty clear that Windsor's frontal patterns are faaaar from ideal to me. |
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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 3:33:54 GMT -5
No, warm fronts don't exist in my dream climate nor in Australian climatology. Warm fronts = warm + wet weather, which is shown very clearly in Windsor by the fact that it gets so much rainfall with –7° / 0° C averages. Compare to, say, the Australian Alps: they have similar averages to Windsor, but winter rainfall is very little relative to snowfall amounts (basically only pre-frontal rain in winter). My dream climate has 53.9 cm in Jul for 122.5 mm…with much warmer averages than Windsor. I think it's pretty clear that Windsor's frontal patterns are faaaar from ideal to me.
And Hobart has like what, 1 cm for 40 mm? Even the annual precipitation is comparable to Norrköping's cold fucken desert.
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Post by Benfxmth on May 11, 2021 3:39:47 GMT -5
Windsor for me.
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Post by knot on May 11, 2021 3:48:07 GMT -5
And Hobart has like what, 1 cm for 40 mm? Even the annual precipitation is comparable to Norrköping's cold fucken desert.
Remember, it's all relative to avg temps. 4° / 13° C is nothing like –7° / 0° C…but if Hobart were to average even like –2° / 6° C (e.g. Liawenee) it would have wayyy more snow than Windsor, simply due to getting most precip from cold fronts rather than warm fronts. By the way—I only like wet snow, and only because it soaks the soil better than rain ever could (for grazing purposes). That's legit the only reason I like (wet) snow, and never a snowpack. Powdery, dry useless snow can get fucked. |
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Post by longaotian on May 11, 2021 3:55:00 GMT -5
Windsor.
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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 4:10:43 GMT -5
Remember, it's all relative to avg temps. 4° / 13° C is nothing like –7° / 0° C…but if Hobart were to average even like –2° / 6° C (e.g. Liawenee) it would have wayyy more snow than Windsor, simply due to getting most precip from cold fronts rather than warm fronts. By the way—I only like wet snow, and only because it soaks the soil better than rain ever could (for grazing purposes). That's legit the only reason I like (wet) snow, and never a snowpack. Powdery, dry useless snow can get fucked.
Uh-huh. But if you look at the past years, a big chunk of Windsor's winter days are what you would find very ideal in temps of temperatures. And a tiny minority are those dreaded -20C dry high pressure ones you hate.
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Post by knot on May 11, 2021 4:26:03 GMT -5
Uh-huh. But if you look at the past years, a big chunk of Windsor's winter days are what you would find very ideal in temps of temperatures. And a tiny minority are those dreaded -20C dry high pressure ones you hate.
You just proved my point RE warm fronts with those links. This is disgusting on so many levels (the warmest day of the month also being the wettest):  |
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Post by Ariete on May 11, 2021 4:38:09 GMT -5
You just proved my point RE warm fronts with those links. This is disgusting on so many levels (the warmest day of the month also being the wettest):
That's an thunderstorm in winter. It's epic.
I just feel you are voting against your actual climate preferences for non-climatological reasons, and thus it makes no sense to me.
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Post by knot on May 11, 2021 4:43:02 GMT -5
That's an thunderstorm in winter. It's epic.
I just feel you are voting against your actual climate preferences for non-climatological reasons, and thus it makes no sense to me.
And the wrong kind of thunderstorm. Frontal thunderstorms should bring colder weather and heavy snowstorms (for Windsor's averages), not warm weather and tepid downpours. |
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Post by Cadeau on May 11, 2021 8:01:15 GMT -5
Hobart for a cool summer.
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Post by alex992 on May 11, 2021 10:36:23 GMT -5
Windsor easily, much more interesting climate.
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