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Post by Babu on Jul 19, 2020 15:22:49 GMT -5
If you have the logic of a Swedish with their seasonal threshold, this is when summer ended in Rome... 2011: November 18 2012: December 7 2013: November 26 2014: December 11 2015: November 28 2016: December 2 2017: December 4 2018: December 14 2019: December 13 The 10'C mean is meant to represent passable summer weather in Sweden. A Swede going to LA in December will say it's like a Swedish summer. That doesn't mean LA has summer in December. |
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Post by Crunch41 on Jul 19, 2020 22:56:03 GMT -5
Weather.com used to be a decent weather site, but now the homepage is terrible. I still use it sometimes though. I took a screenshot of the homepage and put it in the spoiler below. 1 out of 5 screens has actual weather, the other is clickbait or ads. With an adblocker, these five screens change to three.
I'm more upset about what they did to weather underground. That site was my go-to site in the early 2010's, but now most of the features I liked are gone. I used to look up the hottest spots in a random country, or look up historical data from anywhere in the world.
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Post by jgtheone on Jul 20, 2020 0:25:59 GMT -5
Weather.com used to be a decent weather site, but now the homepage is terrible. I still use it sometimes though. I took a screenshot of the homepage and put it in the spoiler below. 1 out of 5 screens has actual weather, the other is clickbait or ads. With an adblocker, these five screens change to three.
I'm more upset about what they did to weather underground. That site was my go-to site in the early 2010's, but now most of the features I liked are gone. I used to look up the hottest spots in a random country, or look up historical data from anywhere in the world.
Yeah, for a while weather.com wasn't even working. Now it's a bit clunky, but I don't really use it that often so it's no big deal to me personally. BoM have been mentioning an update, I used and made suggestions in the beta mode but it hasn't progressed from there. |
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Post by Beercules on Jul 20, 2020 0:51:09 GMT -5
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Post by Crunch41 on Jul 20, 2020 8:00:37 GMT -5
Searching for london weather news brings up a lot of articles like this. Here is another one.
"UK heatwave latest: Map turns BLACK in 44C scorcher as hot weather overcomes Europe"
The constant focus on heatwaves in mild London reminds me of the constant focus on the next snowstorm in the US. Places like DC, or even further south, will sound like they are cold snowy places in winter. Even NYC is like this - growing up I thought it had a similar climate to here because the news makes it sound cold and snowy. But in reality it is much milder, with the occasional large snowstorm. Any storm on the east coast gets massive media coverage since most of the population lives there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 8:01:51 GMT -5
44c scorcher? When was that?
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Post by Crunch41 on Jul 20, 2020 12:31:01 GMT -5
44c scorcher? When was that? Nowhere near London. I found where the 44 came from near the bottom of the article "A weather map from WXCharts, which takes its data from Met Desk, revealed that highs of 44C could be felt in parts of Portugal and southern Spain at about 3pm today." I see 41C in Seville at 7pm, so maybe it reached 44 there. Ogimet is down at the moment.Edit: Ogimet back up. 42.4 was the latest hourly reading for Seville, Cordoba was also at 42. Spain Country SummarySeville Hourly Summary |
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Post by Steelernation on Jul 20, 2020 17:05:30 GMT -5
With these recent hot summers, I looked at how common these are. Iβll define a very hot summer a month with an 85 f (29.4 c) average high.
Since records began in 1872, there have been 18 such months:
July 1916, July 1921, July 1941, August 1947, June 1949, July 1952, July 1955, July 1966, July 1973, July 1983, July 1988, July 1999, July 2011, July 2012, July 2016, August 2016, July 2018, July 2020* (*almost certainly).
An 85 f average high would be the 99th percentile for June, the 90th for July and the 99th for August.
From 1872-2010, this occurred 12 times or 1 in 11.5 years.
However, since then it has occurred in 5 of 10 years, or 1 in 2 years.
Even in the very hot summers of the 40s and 50s, it occurred 5/15 years, which still doesnβt compare to the recent 6 of the last 10 years.
So something that used to be rare, happening only every 11-12 years on average is now happening every other summer.
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Post by Strewthless on Jul 22, 2020 14:34:30 GMT -5
Lol, 18C high/15c low forecast for Liverpool tomorrow.
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Post by irlinit on Jul 22, 2020 17:59:19 GMT -5
This July has been shit. Absolutely nothing interesting, no heat, gloomier than average AGAIN in mid summer, no storms, nothing remotely interesting. What a downer after such a good Spring. Aside from the very start of June and a few hot days at the end of June this has been a real crummer
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Post by Babu on Jul 25, 2020 13:25:42 GMT -5
Saw this on instagram. Some of them are okay, like NYC and Bucharest or Seattle and Amsterdam, Portland & Paris etc. But LA and Lisbon?? And Vancouver and Copenhagen??? π  |
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Post by Crunch41 on Jul 26, 2020 22:42:15 GMT -5
Seattle and Portland have the wrong rainfall pattern though.
Phoenix and Mekkah are both hot deserts, but the temperature difference is huge. Phoenix averages 41/29 in July and 30/17 for the year. Mekkah is 44/29, but the yearly average is 38/25. The same difference in the other direction would be 25/9.
Another example of an 8C difference is London (15/7) and UmeΓ₯ (8/-1). Summer is similar enough but winter is much different.
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Post by Crunch41 on Jul 27, 2020 18:02:55 GMT -5
I found a downtown Milwaukee station on wrh.noaa.gov. Any way I can find long-term data for this? I'm curious if it's hotter than the airport or not. Also, it records solar radiation, something that the US stopped recording officially a while back. www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/timeseries.php?sid=AN659&num=168&banner=gmap&raw=0&w=325A good site for checking the current weather or the previous day low/high temperature. It has non-US stations too, but something like Weather Underground would have more foreign stations. It's a steamy 73F in Inukjuak. For once, not cold.
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Post by Crunch41 on Jul 27, 2020 20:26:01 GMT -5
tij There are a few North American climates that reminds me of northern Europe. They are all located near a large body of water. One noticeable difference is the large temperature lag. August is much warmer than June in these places, which is easier to have in the upper 40s latitude. The mild summer and winter in Tobermory comes from its location on a peninsula in Lake Huron. Source is Weatherbase so data may be fake.  Another place on a peninsula in the UP. Whitefish Point Grand Marais in Minnesota has the right temperature range but huge spring lag and too dry in winter. Summer weather is the coldest in the state or maybe the Midwest.  East Coast seems too wet. Eastport has the right temperature range, but over 1 meter (39") of yearly precipitation is too much. 
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Post by Ariete on Jul 28, 2020 10:50:17 GMT -5
tij There are a few North American climates that reminds me of northern Europe. They are all located near a large body of water. One noticeable difference is the large temperature lag. August is much warmer than June in these places, which is easier to have in the upper 40s latitude. The mild summer and winter in Tobermory comes from its location on a peninsula in Lake Huron. Source is Weatherbase so data may be fake. Another place on a peninsula in the UP. Whitefish PointGrand Marais in Minnesota has the right temperature range but huge spring lag and too dry in winter. Summer weather is the coldest in the state or maybe the Midwest. East Coast seems too wet. Eastport has the right temperature range, but over 1 meter (39") of yearly precipitation is too much.
I have previously suggested en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquette,_Michigan#Climate for a good analogy for example to Turku and Helsinki Airport. Yes it's more continental and September is much warmer, but the general feeling is similar. Precipitation is spot-on, sunshine is relatively similar if you subtract the usual US amounts, and annual mean temps are pretty close. |
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Post by tij on Jul 28, 2020 22:53:38 GMT -5
tij There are a few North American climates that reminds me of northern Europe. They are all located near a large body of water. One noticeable difference is the large temperature lag. August is much warmer than June in these places, which is easier to have in the upper 40s latitude. The mild summer and winter in Tobermory comes from its location on a peninsula in Lake Huron. Source is Weatherbase so data may be fake. Another place on a peninsula in the UP. Whitefish PointGrand Marais in Minnesota has the right temperature range but huge spring lag and too dry in winter. Summer weather is the coldest in the state or maybe the Midwest. East Coast seems too wet. Eastport has the right temperature range, but over 1 meter (39") of yearly precipitation is too much.
I have previously suggested en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquette,_Michigan#Climate for a good analogy for example to Turku and Helsinki Airport. Yes it's more continental and September is much warmer, but the general feeling is similar. Precipitation is spot-on, sunshine is relatively similar if you subtract the usual US amounts, and annual mean temps are pretty close. Understand that Marquette's temperature stats are similar to Moscow (or Turku if you prefer) superficially, but feel its underlying mechanics are significantly different and probably more similar to those on the island of Hokkaido than to Northeastern Europe's. Feel a better analogue for Turku's position and "patterns" would be en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagway,_Alaska#Climate (obviously Turku has quite a bit warmer and nicer summers), with a similar fall precip peak (but exaggerated). For Moscow, which is a bit further south and further inland, thought en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George,_British_Columbia#Climate as an inland BC location which still retains some West Coast/marine influence. was a reasonable analogue [further east into Alberta seems too sunny and too variable, and no barrier like the Rockies impedes marine influence into western Russia], with a closer sunshine match than Marquette (with 35% winter sunshine) or coastal Maine, which is even sunnier during the winter. Moscow's summers of course still quite a bit warmer though due to Europe's general warmth (and probably UHI in part for the nights). Any thoughts nei ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrace,_British_Columbia#Climate (which is also bit further south, more at the latitude of GdaΕsk) is sorta similar but since it's closer to the coast it is much wetter, and "Bergenized". |
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Post by Ariete on Jul 29, 2020 9:02:27 GMT -5
I have previously suggested en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquette,_Michigan#Climate for a good analogy for example to Turku and Helsinki Airport. Yes it's more continental and September is much warmer, but the general feeling is similar. Precipitation is spot-on, sunshine is relatively similar if you subtract the usual US amounts, and annual mean temps are pretty close. Understand that Marquette's temperature stats are similar to Moscow (or Turku if you prefer) superficially, but feel its underlying mechanics are significantly different and probably more similar to those on the island of Hokkaido than to Northeastern Europe's. Feel a better analogue for Turku's position and "patterns" would be en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagway,_Alaska#Climate (obviously Turku has quite a bit warmer and nicer summers), with a similar fall precip peak (but exaggerated). For Moscow, which is a bit further south and further inland, thought en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George,_British_Columbia#Climate as an inland BC location which still retains some West Coast/marine influence. was a reasonable analogue [further east into Alberta seems too sunny and too variable, and no barrier like the Rockies impedes marine influence into western Russia], with a closer sunshine match than Marquette (with 35% winter sunshine) or coastal Maine, which is even sunnier during the winter. Moscow's summers of course still quite a bit warmer though due to Europe's general warmth (and probably UHI in part for the nights). Any thoughts nei ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrace,_British_Columbia#Climate (which is also bit further south, more at the latitude of GdaΕsk) is sorta similar but since it's closer to the coast it is much wetter, and "Bergenized".
I was only looking at averages, not mechanics. Prince George has way too low min temperatures for Moscow.
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Post by tij on Jul 29, 2020 11:59:53 GMT -5
Understand that Marquette's temperature stats are similar to Moscow (or Turku if you prefer) superficially, but feel its underlying mechanics are significantly different and probably more similar to those on the island of Hokkaido than to Northeastern Europe's. Feel a better analogue for Turku's position and "patterns" would be en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagway,_Alaska#Climate (obviously Turku has quite a bit warmer and nicer summers), with a similar fall precip peak (but exaggerated). For Moscow, which is a bit further south and further inland, thought en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George,_British_Columbia#Climate as an inland BC location which still retains some West Coast/marine influence. was a reasonable analogue [further east into Alberta seems too sunny and too variable, and no barrier like the Rockies impedes marine influence into western Russia], with a closer sunshine match than Marquette (with 35% winter sunshine) or coastal Maine, which is even sunnier during the winter. Moscow's summers of course still quite a bit warmer though due to Europe's general warmth (and probably UHI in part for the nights). Any thoughts nei ? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrace,_British_Columbia#Climate (which is also bit further south, more at the latitude of GdaΕsk) is sorta similar but since it's closer to the coast it is much wetter, and "Bergenized".
I was only looking at averages, not mechanics. Prince George has way too low min temperatures for Moscow.
True, it's at 575m asl though while Moscow is at 156m asl, so the two would probably have more comparable summers if Prince George's elevation was lower. |
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Post by Babu on Jul 30, 2020 17:35:06 GMT -5
About 37mm rain fell last night and one of the ponds in UmeΓ₯, which they dug a retention basin for literally this year, overflowed.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 19:55:44 GMT -5
Yet another standard day of WO shitting all over TWC forecast. 30c vs 28c. Actual 29.7c.
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