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Post by Met.Data on May 6, 2021 10:06:20 GMT -5
If it wasn't for this coronavirus shit I would jump on a plane for Africa TODAY. I remember back in 2016 when we had 8" of snow in March (in Buxton) I got so pissed with it that I just got on the phone and booked a trip to Dubai within the hour, at less than 48 hour's notice. LOL. Then in Dubai we had torrential rain and thunderstorms.
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Post by Benfxmth on May 6, 2021 10:09:52 GMT -5
@b87 Here's a comparison of April's and May's model runs of ECMWF's SEAS5—both valid for JJA. Temperature anomalies:   Precipitation anomalies:   MSLP anomalies:   Of course, a single weather model shouldn't be used for long-range forecasting, but here's a neat article about long-range forecasts for the summer of 2021, which I posted in the shoutbox a couple of weeks ago: www.severe-weather.eu/long-range-2/summer-2021-early-forecast-united-states-europe-fa/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 11:04:36 GMT -5
@b87 Here's a comparison of April's and May's model runs of ECMWF's SEAS5—both valid for JJA. Now watch as that 'average summer' turns into a 22/16 July with cool days and warm nights due to non-stop cloud, not really feeling like summer at all. |
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Post by Babu on May 7, 2021 8:54:24 GMT -5
I was curious to compare the last five years (2016-2020) at Umeå airport and Seinäjoki compared to the 1991-2020 normal after what Doña Jimena said | Station | Umeå | Seinäjoki | | January | -0.11 | +0.26 | | February | +0.98 | +1.64 | | March | +0.46 | +0.68 | | April | +0.49 | -1.12 | | May | +0.51 | +0.47 | | June | +0.61 | +0.82 | | July | +0.13 | +0.03 | | August | -0.23 | +0.15 | | September | +0.30 | +0.60 | | October | +0.22 | +0.02 | | November | +0.69 | +0.83 | | December | +1.73 | +2.15 | | Average | +0.48 | +0.63 |
Conclusion: Finland (or at least Seinäjoki) has had significantly milder winters than here lately, we've had significantly warmer aprils, and other than that it's been mostly the same. |
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Post by Ariete on May 7, 2021 9:27:46 GMT -5
Talking about Seinäjoki, its September mean temp during the new normals is now 9.97, and thus Köppen Schmöppen humid continental. Seinäjoki in 2019:
Seinäjoki in 2021:
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 18:30:51 GMT -5
knot, I have worked out the average warmest minimum temperature per month at Heathrow for the 2007-2020 period. How does it compare? 
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Post by knot on May 8, 2021 18:41:02 GMT -5
knot , I have worked out the average warmest minimum temperature per month at Heathrow for the 2007-2020 period. How does it compare? Starkly in contrast to here:  My lowest value was 19.0° C in midsummer, which is akin to your mean value. In midwinter my highest was 8.8° C, which falls well short of your mean value. Much more pronounced seasonal variation with my minima. Range from midsummer to midwinter 22.1° to 5.8° C here vs 18.8° to 9.4° C in London. |
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Post by Giorbanguly on May 9, 2021 6:15:20 GMT -5
Bunghole’s average March highs actually FELL during the 1991-2020 Update. No surprise given the number of subarctique Marches the past decade en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton,_New_York 4.8c average highs in March now! Sad |
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Post by Benfxmth on May 9, 2021 6:18:27 GMT -5
Bunghole’s average March highs actually FELL during the 1991-2020 Update. No surprise given the number of subarctique Marches the past decade en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton,_New_York 4.8c average highs in March now! Sad Ditto for raw average highs:   |
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Post by Met.Data on May 9, 2021 11:00:54 GMT -5
The excellent travel writer, Bill Bryson, sums up the British climate better than anybody in his book, "The Lost Continent", which he wrote having lived in the UK (Yorkshire) for some years, before returning to the USA. It's the truest thing I've ever read and very funny.
"In Britain it had been a year without summer. Wet spring had merged imperceptibly into bleak autumn. For months the sky had remained a depthless grey. Sometimes it rained, but mostly it was just dull, a land without shadows. It was like living inside Tupperware."
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:06:31 GMT -5
The excellent travel writer, Bill Bryson, sums up the British climate better than anybody in his book, "The Lost Continent", which he wrote having lived in the UK (Yorkshire) for some years, before returning to the USA. It's the truest thing I've ever read and very funny. "In Britain it had been a year without summer. Wet spring had merged imperceptibly into bleak autumn. For months the sky had remained a depthless grey. Sometimes it rained, but mostly it was just dull, a land without shadows. It was like living inside Tupperware." To be fair, he lived near Malham, which has a dreadful climate even by Yorkshire standards.
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Post by Met.Data on May 9, 2021 11:07:39 GMT -5
The excellent travel writer, Bill Bryson, sums up the British climate better than anybody in his book, "The Lost Continent", which he wrote having lived in the UK (Yorkshire) for some years, before returning to the USA. It's the truest thing I've ever read and very funny. "In Britain it had been a year without summer. Wet spring had merged imperceptibly into bleak autumn. For months the sky had remained a depthless grey. Sometimes it rained, but mostly it was just dull, a land without shadows. It was like living inside Tupperware." To be fair, he lived near Malham, which has a dreadful climate even by Yorkshire standards.
He lived in Kirkby Malham which is about 650ft ASL compared to that weather station (over 1100ft), so would be similar to Buxton, but Sheffield ain't much better, nor anywhere in Northern England really. I first read that book when I lived in SE England, and it didn't make as much sense to me then, as the inland SE at least has some sort of summer. But for Yorkshire, it's a very apt description.
Everywhere in Northern England does have that oppressive "tupperware" feel with the low clouds; cloudy weather in the SE tended to be thin, high cloud when I remember, so even cloudy days never seemed as oppressive. Of course the lower sun angle makes cloudy weather seem even worse further north.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:21:38 GMT -5
To be fair, he lived near Malham, which has a dreadful climate even by Yorkshire standards.
He lived in Kirkby Malham which is about 650ft ASL compared to that weather station (over 1100ft), so would be similar to Buxton, but Sheffield ain't much better, nor anywhere in Northern England really. I first read that book when I lived in SE England, and it didn't make as much sense to me then, as the inland SE at least has some sort of summer. But for Yorkshire, it's a very apt description.
Everywhere in Northern England does have that oppressive "tupperware" feel with the low clouds; cloudy weather in the SE tended to be thin, high cloud when I remember, so even cloudy days never seemed as oppressive. Of course the lower sun angle makes cloudy weather seem even worse further north.
I don't know about Sheffield, but there's a very big difference between the weather in Buxton or Malham, than here in York. Buxton gets more than twice as much rain, and on about 60 more days. The wettest year on record for York(2000) had 1000mm of rain, which is still about 300-500mm less than an average year in those places, and obviously it's warmer here too. The Vale of York is a very dry area by UK standards. I've lived in the SE, and the only real difference is the 2C temperature difference. If you go to the southern end of the Vale of York in Doncaster, there would be barely any noticeable difference between there and parts of the SE, particularly away from London. |
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Post by Met.Data on May 9, 2021 11:25:08 GMT -5
He lived in Kirkby Malham which is about 650ft ASL compared to that weather station (over 1100ft), so would be similar to Buxton, but Sheffield ain't much better, nor anywhere in Northern England really. I first read that book when I lived in SE England, and it didn't make as much sense to me then, as the inland SE at least has some sort of summer. But for Yorkshire, it's a very apt description.
Everywhere in Northern England does have that oppressive "tupperware" feel with the low clouds; cloudy weather in the SE tended to be thin, high cloud when I remember, so even cloudy days never seemed as oppressive. Of course the lower sun angle makes cloudy weather seem even worse further north.
I don't know about Sheffield, but there's a very big difference between the weather in Buxton or Malham, than here in York. Buxton gets more than twice as much rain, and on about 60 more days. The wettest year on record for York(2000) had 1000mm of rain, which is still about 300-500mm less than an average year in those places, and obviously it's warmer here too. The Vale of York is a very dry area by UK standards. I've lived in the SE, and the only real difference is the 2C temperature difference. Sheffield's wetter than York by about 200mm. Probably a little cloudier. Our summer temps are the same, but to me they're just on a lame side of acceptable compared to London (or more specifically Windsor, where I lived). One's temperature threshold is a personal thing, but for me London was more warmer feeling most of the time whereas here summer can really be a non-affair. I used to live in Lincoln, which is a bit more similar to York, and wasn't impressed with summers at all (the ones there I had were average in temperature). Growing up in the SE, nowhere north of the south Midlands really has acceptable summers to me.
If somebody, who like myself lived in Buxton, is serious about getting substantially improved summers, I'd think the SE would be the minimum upgrade, rather than Sheffield or York. Much of Buxton's extra rain falls in winter, rather than summer, as well.
On the Bill Bryson topic, I doubt many Americans would even find London to be acceptable from a summer/sunshine POV either - most of them are used to 30°C+ summer highs and 250+ monthly sunshine hours. Vast difference.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:31:02 GMT -5
I don't know about Sheffield, but there's a very big difference between the weather in Buxton or Malham, than here in York. Buxton gets more than twice as much rain, and on about 60 more days. The wettest year on record for York(2000) had 1000mm of rain, which is still about 300-500mm less than an average year in those places, and obviously it's warmer here too. The Vale of York is a very dry area by UK standards. I've lived in the SE, and the only real difference is the 2C temperature difference. Sheffield's wetter than York by about 200mm. Probably a little cloudier. Our summer temps are the same, but to me they're just on a lame side of acceptable compared to London (or more specifically Windsor, where I lived). One's temperature threshold is a personal thing, but for me London was more warmer feeling most of the time whereas here summer can really be a non-affair. I used to live in Lincoln, which is a bit more similar to York, and wasn't impressed with summers at all (the ones there I had were average in temperature). Growing up in the SE, nowhere north of the south Midlands really has acceptable summers to me. Oh I agree with the temperatures. I don't find temperatures acceptable anywhere in the UK, so London is definitely the best place for that. The point I'm making is that there isn't that big a difference in temperature. Doncaster in July is around 1.6C cooler than London for average highs, but the weather in general is very similar, and certainly nothing like Bill Bryson mentioned. Doncaster and York are certainly nothing like Buxton or Malham anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:32:29 GMT -5
And yes, the SE is the only real choice for the weather you want, and the weather I want too, which is heat and thunderstorms.
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Post by Met.Data on May 9, 2021 11:34:50 GMT -5
Sheffield's wetter than York by about 200mm. Probably a little cloudier. Our summer temps are the same, but to me they're just on a lame side of acceptable compared to London (or more specifically Windsor, where I lived). One's temperature threshold is a personal thing, but for me London was more warmer feeling most of the time whereas here summer can really be a non-affair. I used to live in Lincoln, which is a bit more similar to York, and wasn't impressed with summers at all (the ones there I had were average in temperature). Growing up in the SE, nowhere north of the south Midlands really has acceptable summers to me. Oh I agree with the temperatures. I don't find temperatures acceptable anywhere in the UK, so London is definitely the best place for that. The point I'm making is that there isn't that big a difference in temperature. Doncaster in July is around 1.6C cooler than London for average highs, but the weather in general is very similar, and certainly nothing like Bill Bryson mentioned. Doncaster and York are certainly nothing like Buxton or Malham anyway. Doncaster really seems an outlier in Northern England, it manages to have summer highs about 0.5-1°C warmer than Sheffield somehow. Yeah Lincoln isn't like Buxton in terms of weather either, mainly the difference being 1) far less winter rainfall and 2) higher thinner less oppressive cloud.
Problem with sheffield is that it's still geographically too close to Buxton to be much of an improvement for me. Shares too much weather condition similarity. But then even Lincoln wasn't enough of an improvement for me. I'm a true Southern Boi!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:35:55 GMT -5
I don't know about Sheffield, but there's a very big difference between the weather in Buxton or Malham, than here in York. Buxton gets more than twice as much rain, and on about 60 more days. The wettest year on record for York(2000) had 1000mm of rain, which is still about 300-500mm less than an average year in those places, and obviously it's warmer here too. The Vale of York is a very dry area by UK standards. I've lived in the SE, and the only real difference is the 2C temperature difference. On the Bill Bryson topic, I doubt many Americans would even find London to be acceptable from a summer/sunshine POV either - most of them are used to 30°C+ summer highs and 250+ monthly sunshine hours. Vast difference.
Apart from people like AJ, who says London's summers are too uncomfortable without AC. |
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Post by Met.Data on May 9, 2021 11:37:38 GMT -5
On the Bill Bryson topic, I doubt many Americans would even find London to be acceptable from a summer/sunshine POV either - most of them are used to 30°C+ summer highs and 250+ monthly sunshine hours. Vast difference.
Apart from people like AJ, who says London's summers are too uncomfortable without AC. LOL really? Thought he'd be the first to go on about how "failed erection" its summers are. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:42:17 GMT -5
Apart from people like AJ, who says London's summers are too uncomfortable without AC. LOL really? Thought he'd be the first to go on about how "failed erection" its summers are. He said this about the summer of 2016 as well, which was a complete failure until mid-July. |
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