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Post by southathens on Nov 29, 2023 19:10:28 GMT -5
Guys you are missing the point here. You focus only on the data at hand. I am saying something else. Sparta is a foehn super power with a fan aspirated station while Cordoba relies on brute heat (no dynamic foehn winds etc) with a passive station. Sparta most definitely does not exhaust its heat dynamic on the station's current location, Cordoba probably does. I mean its flat as fuck over there and no winds, minimal differences are to be expected. Move an inch in Sparta and the foehn winds hit you a whole different way. Plus of course the significant T bias of passive stations on maxes especially during very hot and windless summer days (which are the majority for the interior of Andalusia). So, what would happen with the same type of stations in the hottest locations for both cities? Btw here is Sparta's station. Cordoba's one is a rubbish one next to the airway's concrete. I remember seeing it a few years back and I was like wtf?  |
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Post by Ariete on Nov 30, 2023 15:03:36 GMT -5
Finland: we went from being poor to one of the most successful countries in the world France: we set the gold standard for popular revolutions, and also invented the metric system Italy: we made our cuisine the most desirable in Europe, with a little help of our American cousins Turkey: we created kebab, which is now enjoyed all over the world England: our separation of powers is so old we don't even need a constitution San Marino: we are the oldest republic in the world Estonia: we went from being a part of the USSR to being close to Western European living standards in 25 years Slovenia: hold up, we are contesting that, Estonia
Greece: we were important 2500 years ago, and now we are celebrating because apparently we are "the Absolute Champion of European Heat"
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Post by southathens on Nov 30, 2023 15:33:15 GMT -5
Added a poll! Please vote
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Post by Ariete on Nov 30, 2023 15:41:54 GMT -5
Added a poll! Please vote
Add a poll if we think if you have one eyebrow or two.
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Post by southathens on Nov 30, 2023 17:19:34 GMT -5
Added a poll! Please vote
Add a poll if we think if you have one eyebrow or two.
shut up and vote u finnish bitch |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Nov 30, 2023 19:24:26 GMT -5
Add a poll if we think if you have one eyebrow or two.
shut up and vote u finnish bitch NO |
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Post by southathens on Nov 30, 2023 19:51:20 GMT -5
u stupid . At least make it thrilling. Don't all go for Cordoba. Even it out to be suspenseful
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Nov 30, 2023 19:52:46 GMT -5
Córdoba would be hotter if the equipment was the same. Córdoba is already hotter with its full 30 year sample of normals at a standard airport station. The station placement for Sparta looks decent too, and I do trust its accuracy, but with its normals from a cooler era still Córdoba is hotter. ¡Arriba España!🇪🇸
These are two very good climates btw.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Nov 30, 2023 19:54:28 GMT -5
Finland: we went from being poor to one of the most successful countries in the world France: we set the gold standard for popular revolutions, and also invented the metric system Italy: we made our cuisine the most desirable in Europe, with a little help of our American cousins Turkey: we created kebab, which is now enjoyed all over the world England: our separation of powers is so old we don't even need a constitution San Marino: we are the oldest republic in the world Estonia: we went from being a part of the USSR to being close to Western European living standards in 25 years Slovenia: hold up, we are contesting that, Estonia
Greece: we were important 2500 years ago, and now we are celebrating because apparently we are "the Absolute Champion of European Heat"
'Murica: WHAT THE FUCK IS A CELSIUS KILOMETER🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸 |
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Post by southathens on Nov 30, 2023 19:59:11 GMT -5
Córdoba would be hotter if the equipment was the same. Córdoba is already hotter with its full 30 year sample of normals at a standard airport station. The station placement for Sparta looks decent too, and I do trust its accuracy, but with its normals from a cooler era still Córdoba is hotter. ¡Arriba España!🇪🇸
These are two very good climates btw.
I think with the same equipment at current locations Cordoba would be around 0.5C hotter in summer mean maxes. But if we had a station more inland in the Evrotas Valley, say north suburbs of Sparta then Sparta might just pass Cordoba AP maxes. |
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Post by Beercules on Nov 30, 2023 20:10:52 GMT -5
Finland: we went from being poor to one of the most successful countries in the world France: we set the gold standard for popular revolutions, and also invented the metric system Italy: we made our cuisine the most desirable in Europe, with a little help of our American cousins Turkey: we created kebab, which is now enjoyed all over the world England: our separation of powers is so old we don't even need a constitution San Marino: we are the oldest republic in the world Estonia: we went from being a part of the USSR to being close to Western European living standards in 25 years Slovenia: hold up, we are contesting that, Estonia
Greece: we were important 2500 years ago, and now we are celebrating because apparently we are "the Absolute Champion of European Heat"
'Murica: WHAT THE FUCK IS A CELSIUS KILOMETER🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸 COMMUNIST UNITS !!! |
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Post by Cheeseman on Nov 30, 2023 22:10:13 GMT -5
You forgot the biggest European heat monster: Guildford, UK.  Is this actually from some crazy UK_Palms station or is it completely made up? |
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Post by Steelernation on Nov 30, 2023 22:14:08 GMT -5
How do you know it would be cooler in the future though? Also the elephant in the room: Cordoba's station is a passive one, Sparta's is fan aspirated and not even in the hottest part of the Evrotas Valley Btw how are they in the same region? Cordoba is in SW Europe while Sparta is in SE Europe...Totally different areas Ok farther apart than I thought but still one station isn’t gonna warm 1.5 f than another one if neither have UHI |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Dec 1, 2023 0:46:36 GMT -5
You forgot the biggest European heat monster: Guildford, UK. Is this actually from some crazy UK_Palms station or is it completely made up? 100% legit Met Office data from the nearest RAF base, mate  |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Dec 1, 2023 0:50:24 GMT -5
Also I know it's not a climate battle, but Sparta wins for its rainier winters and better temps generally.
Córdoba is the absolute champion of European daytime heat though
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Post by southathens on Dec 1, 2023 5:10:27 GMT -5
How do you know it would be cooler in the future though? Also the elephant in the room: Cordoba's station is a passive one, Sparta's is fan aspirated and not even in the hottest part of the Evrotas Valley Btw how are they in the same region? Cordoba is in SW Europe while Sparta is in SE Europe...Totally different areas Ok farther apart than I thought but still one station isn’t gonna warm 1.5 f than another one if neither have UHI If you notice my introduction about Sparta a major factor to consider is the orography around the interior of the Evrotas Valley and the current position of the Sparta station. It's outside the city some 4km south of the N edge. I am hypothesising that moving the station further inland at the northern tip of the city where the sea breeze weakens even more and the foehn effect from Parnonas mountain might be stronger we might see a significant heating up. Here is a rough map of the Sparta station within the Evrotas Valley. As you see the city is between these 2 huge mountains. Effectively placing the station further inland (either in the north suburbs or even further north) might just do the trick given the constant foehn exposure the area gets due to the summer meltemi winds we get in Greece. ![]()  |
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Post by southathens on Dec 1, 2023 5:51:53 GMT -5
Ok farther apart than I thought but still one station isn’t gonna warm 1.5 f than another one if neither have UHI If you notice my introduction about Sparta a major factor to consider is the orography around the interior of the Evrotas Valley and the current position of the Sparta station. It's outside the city some 4km south of the N edge. I am hypothesising that moving the station further inland at the northern tip of the city where the sea breeze weakens even more and the foehn effect from Parnonas mountain might be stronger we might see a significant heating up. Here is a rough map of the Sparta station within the Evrotas Valley. As you see the city is between these 2 huge mountains. Effectively placing the station further inland (either in the north suburbs or even further north) might just do the trick given the constant foehn exposure the area gets due to the summer meltemi winds we get in Greece. ![]() Actually there are even better positions we can move the station to theoretically heat up. For example check the map below. Around 15km north of the Sparta station in the Pardali area where the elevation still remains around 250 meters and just next to the 1400 meters summit of Taygetos we might get significant heating up. Much further inland in the Evrotas Valley.  |
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Post by southathens on Jun 22, 2024 21:41:57 GMT -5
So HNMS has a new WMO met station in Sparta around 2km north of the current one from NOA.
So far it appears hotter than the NOA station. Let's see...
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Jun 23, 2024 7:26:25 GMT -5
So HNMS has a new WMO met station in Sparta around 2km north of the current one from NOA. So far it appears hotter than the NOA station. Let's see... Isn't HNMS the official network for Greece that has data for longer PoR than NOA? Probably has to do with local geography why the HNMS one is hotter. I'm sure it's more well placed than the NOA rooftop ones that are in Greece. |
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Post by Beercules on Jun 23, 2024 15:30:49 GMT -5
FFS faplet  |
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