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Post by alex992 on Nov 16, 2017 13:40:00 GMT -5
Using whole calendar months without thinking would have you believe that if April-November averages above 10 C, then that means the entire time period of April 1 through November 30, which is misleading.
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Post by Babu on Nov 16, 2017 15:32:07 GMT -5
Not using calendar months could see Dunedin squeak in as subtropical, I'll check it later. Without a doubt. Assuming the temperature is fairly steady throughout the months, you can simply add degrees from the first >10'C month to the first <10'C month as you please, and vice versa. For example Dunedin is 11.7'C in April, so 1.7'C could be added to September's 9.5'C which would most definitely get it above 10'C. By doing this you're effectively just pushing the whole year askew compared to the calendar. Doing this, even Överkalix right below the arctic circle becomes Dfb |
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Post by longaotian on Nov 17, 2017 5:40:04 GMT -5
Not using calendar months could see Dunedin squeak in as subtropical, I'll check it later. There is 100% no way Dunedin can be anywhere near a subtropical climate. The only 'subtropical' climates in NZ I would say are located in the far north |
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Post by Beercules on Nov 17, 2017 5:51:49 GMT -5
Not using calendar months could see Dunedin squeak in as subtropical, I'll check it later. No. Just no. |
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Post by Babu on Nov 17, 2017 7:16:10 GMT -5
Not using calendar months could see Dunedin squeak in as subtropical, I'll check it later. No. Just no. According to Trewartha, Dunedin is subtropical, yes. |
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Post by Beercules on Nov 17, 2017 7:39:44 GMT -5
Anyone that believes Dunedin is subtropical is not a legitimate form of life.
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Post by alex992 on Nov 18, 2017 18:15:16 GMT -5
I think the biggest error with the classification "subtropical" is the phrasing. People see the word "tropical" and have a knee-jerk reaction to thinking anywhere that can get cool/cold can't possibly be subtropical. "Warm temperate" would be a better phrase.
That being said, no way is Dunedin subtropical. No part of the year comes even close to resembling tropical weather. At least DC is rather tropical-like from June through August, one could even say early June through early September. Dunedin is a cool oceanic climate pure and simple.
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Post by longaotian on Nov 23, 2017 14:19:46 GMT -5
I think the biggest error with the classification "subtropical" is the phrasing. People see the word "tropical" and have a knee-jerk reaction to thinking anywhere that can get cool/cold can't possibly be subtropical. "Warm temperate" would be a better phrase. That being said, no way is Dunedin subtropical. No part of the year comes even close to resembling tropical weather. At least DC is rather tropical-like from June through August, one could even say early June through early September. Dunedin is a cool oceanic climate pure and simple.So is my climate, but I see it as more subtropical than Washington DC -that's because the term better describes adaptation of ecosystems to warmth at the coldest time of the year. Subtropical as a climate type, poorly describes specific climates, because when there can be a 21C difference in average winter temperatures between two climates, it's a bit silly to say those those two climates are the same. I could maybe agree with Motueka being subtropical, but not Dunedin I'm sorry that is just too far. I struggle to see how a climate which has an average high of 18.9C!! in its hottest month as subtropical, regardless of the environment. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 3:30:57 GMT -5
So is my climate, but I see it as more subtropical than Washington DC -that's because the term better describes adaptation of ecosystems to warmth at the coldest time of the year. Subtropical as a climate type, poorly describes specific climates, because when there can be a 21C difference in average winter temperatures between two climates, it's a bit silly to say those those two climates are the same. I could maybe agree with Motueka being subtropical, but not Dunedin I'm sorry that is just too far. I struggle to see how a climate which has an average high of 18.9C!! in its hottest month as subtropical, regardless of the environment. If summer heat is your requirement for being subtropical, then nowhere in NZ is even remotely subtropical. One also has to wonder why winters matter to Cfa climates - if a place gets above a 22C average during the hottest months, then what difference does it make how cold a place gets in winter? |
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Post by Beercules on Nov 24, 2017 3:36:10 GMT -5
The only part of NZ that even comes close to being subtropical is the far northern tip. The rest of the country is just various flavours of temperate and oceanic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 3:44:17 GMT -5
The only part of NZ that even comes close to being subtropical is the far northern tip. The rest of the country is just various flavours of temperate and oceanic. Subtropical and oceanic are temperate. Temperate isn't a definable climate, other than not being tropical or polar. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 3:44:46 GMT -5
Yeah NZ does look misleadingly tropical, but that doesn't change the fact that at no time of year do the conditions even remotely resemble the tropics. At least Washington DC does actually feel somewhat tropical at certain times of year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 3:47:33 GMT -5
Yeah NZ does look misleadingly tropical, but that doesn't change the fact that at no time of year do the conditions even remotely resemble the tropics. At least Washington DC does actually feel somewhat tropical at certain times of year. It doesn't look tropical, it looks subtropical, which it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 5:56:00 GMT -5
Yeah NZ does look misleadingly tropical, but that doesn't change the fact that at no time of year do the conditions even remotely resemble the tropics. At least Washington DC does actually feel somewhat tropical at certain times of year. It doesn't look tropical, it looks subtropical, which it is. You seem very certain about that. Not sure the other posters would necessarily agree. Seems like archetypal Oceanic/Temperate stuff in my eyes. Guess this could be another thread in itself. |
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Post by Babu on Nov 24, 2017 7:13:51 GMT -5
I think of NZ as having tropical vegetation. Like jungles and stuff. That's my impression at least.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 10:12:12 GMT -5
Yeah NZ does look misleadingly tropical, but that doesn't change the fact that at no time of year do the conditions even remotely resemble the tropics. At least Washington DC does actually feel somewhat tropical at certain times of year. It doesn't look tropical, it looks subtropical, which it is. So do the Scilly Isles, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 11:18:10 GMT -5
It doesn't look tropical, it looks subtropical, which it is. So do the Scilly Isles, lol. That's right, the The Scilly Isles can support subtropical vegetation, just not at the level of NZ, where subtropical-ness is a feature of the environment. Whether or not they are subtropical, would require an closer look at the native species of flora and fauna. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 11:27:12 GMT -5
Depends where in NZ, I assume The Scilly Isles can support a similar amount of subtropical vegetation as the majority of NZ's landmass?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 11:33:04 GMT -5
Depends where in NZ, I assume The Scilly Isles can support a similar amount of subtropical vegetation as the majority of NZ's landmass? Probably comparable to the lower South Island -it gains with winter warmth, but loses with summer heat. Looking at lists of plants grown there, there seem to many species not grown there, which would be an obvious choice in a place renown for it's subtropical plant collections. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 11:40:31 GMT -5
It's only a small place though, I'm guessing logistics alone limits what they can try out.
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