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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 12:06:09 GMT -5
It's only a small place though, I'm guessing logistics alone limits what they can try out. Maybe, but there still seem to be many obvious plants missing. The plants found there would be about the same as Dunedin. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 13:37:56 GMT -5
It doesn't look tropical, it looks subtropical, which it is. You seem very certain about that. Not sure the other posters would necessarily agree. Seems like archetypal Oceanic/Temperate stuff in my eyes. Guess this could be another thread in itself. Subtropical vegetation is archetypal temperate vegetation. There is no archetypal oceanic vegetation, only vegetation found in oceanic climates -oceanic doesn't describe a type of environment/ecosystem, only a type of climate classification. Subtropical does describe a type of environment/ecosystem, so there is such a thing as subtropical vegetation, or looking subtropical. |
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Post by Babu on Feb 5, 2019 13:35:04 GMT -5
Saying NYC isn't subtropical because it's not at all similar to Hong kong is just as stupid as saying Copenhagen isn't oceanic because it's nothing like East London, South Africa.
That being said, I understand if you don't think of NYC as subtropical, just don't use that argument.
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Post by firebird1988 on Feb 5, 2019 16:02:19 GMT -5
Washington DC is Temperate Transistional in my system
Coldest month is between 0°C and 5.9°C (so too warm for Continental and too cool for Subtropical), and they have 5 months with means 18°C+ (4+ months 18°C+ makes them too warm to be cool oceanic)
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Post by knot on Feb 5, 2019 16:45:42 GMT -5
Saying NYC isn't subtropical because it's not at all similar to Hong kong is just as stupid as saying Copenhagen isn't oceanic because it's nothing like East London, South Africa. That being said, I understand if you don't think of NYC as subtropical, just don't use that argument. How about you stop gobbling on Köppen's knob and use your common sense?  "Kiandra and Dalwhinnie are humid continental because some drunk 19th Century Russian said so"   |
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Post by Babu on Feb 5, 2019 17:02:02 GMT -5
Saying NYC isn't subtropical because it's not at all similar to Hong kong is just as stupid as saying Copenhagen isn't oceanic because it's nothing like East London, South Africa. That being said, I understand if you don't think of NYC as subtropical, just don't use that argument. How about you stop gobbling on Köppen's knob and use your common sense? "Kiandra and Dalwhinnie are humid continental because some drunk 19th Century Russian said so" Kiandra's köppen classification is very ambiguous lol. Dfb, cfb and subtropical highland are all acceptable. Personally, I think subtropical highland fits pretty well. |
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Post by rpvan on Jun 30, 2022 18:54:54 GMT -5
Yes!  |
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Post by Ethereal on Nov 12, 2022 0:03:22 GMT -5
How about you stop gobbling on Köppen's knob and use your common sense? "Kiandra and Dalwhinnie are humid continental because some drunk 19th Century Russian said so" Kiandra's köppen classification is very ambiguous lol. Dfb, cfb and subtropical highland are all acceptable. Personally, I think subtropical highland fits pretty well. Nah man, Kiandra is too cool for that. I'd say it's on the warmer end of subpolar oceanic. But it better fits the "cool" and anemic end of the Dfb climate. P.S. For those who don't know, with that grammar and writing style I was parodying hartfordd, a French guy from City Data who was overly obsessed with the eastern US because of their "handsome thunderstorms". |
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Post by fairweatherfan on Nov 12, 2022 16:43:38 GMT -5
For me, "subtropical" sounds like almost tropical. So climates that are just a bit cool in winter to be tropical would count as subtropical. Climates like Los Angeles and New Orleans are subtropical. Washington DC has cold winters, so it is not subtropical.
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Post by massiveshibe on Nov 12, 2022 18:27:00 GMT -5
Washington DC is subtropical according to Köppen and oceanic according to Trewartha.
But I personally just consider it as Temperate.
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Post by greysrigging on Nov 12, 2022 18:38:28 GMT -5
No way are places with regular snow, ice and freezing temps 'subtropical'....its as simple as that really.
Note the word 'regular', meaning 'seasonally'.
Rare 'once in a blue moon' polar outbreaks do not define a climate per se, simply the 5 colder months, in particular the 3 winter months do....DC simply too cold in the winter months to come anywhere near 'subtropical'.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Nov 12, 2022 21:05:44 GMT -5
DC is warm temperate, though Raleigh and Atlanta are subtropical. Subtropical to me requires hot summers and means above 40F in all months. Maybe DC could approach that isotherm later this century, but as it stands now, it's warm temperate, as with Philly and NYC.
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Post by srfoskey on Nov 12, 2022 21:20:19 GMT -5
I think I've said this elsewhere, but I think we need to split the C category in half. Everywhere with a mean coldest-month temperature between 7.5 and 18°C should be subtropical, and everything with a mean coldest-month temperature between -3 and 7.5°C should be considered temperate. That puts the dividing line between subtropical and temperate close to the line between places that get measurable snow most winters and places that do not. This line is also close to I-20 in the U.S.
Thus: subtropical=snow in less than half of winters
temperate=sporadic winter snowcover
continental=snowcover most of the winter
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Post by Steelernation on Nov 12, 2022 21:39:32 GMT -5
I think I've said this elsewhere, but I think we need to split the C category in half. Everywhere with a mean coldest-month temperature between 7.5 and 18°C should be subtropical, and everything with a mean coldest-month temperature between -3 and 7.5°C should be considered temperate. That’s dumb and arguably just as bad as 0-18 c. Erie fits the -3 c threshold and Rochester is almost there, climates like that have nothing in common with somewhere with 55/35 winters. 0 to 7.5 c would be fine but places with sub 0 c means should be continental and have way more in common with much colder means than warmer ones. |
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Post by greysrigging on Nov 13, 2022 3:07:07 GMT -5
Just use raw figures for the coldest months....so Nov-March means. After all, 'subtropicallity' means something a bit less than 'tropical'. yeah ? So its not about the warmer 7 months of the year, its a given that these months might feel tropical or whatever term seems to fit.... its the 5 cooler months, and in particular the 3 winter month means that defines 'subtropicallity'. DC winter data from Reagan Airport: Nov - 9.9c Dec - 5.4c Jan - 3.1c Feb - 4.4c Mar - 8.7c So over the 5 cooler months that comes in at 6.3c. The 3 winter months that is 4.3c. In anywhere else other than the south east of the USA and perhaps south eastern China, no where else in the world thinks this is a 'subtropical' climate. Snow, hard frosts, ice ? nope....it aint subtropical anywhere else in the world..... So here are some NOAA figures over the last 30 years ( in 'freedom units' that the civilized world ditched 50 years ago in favour of metric Celsius )  Look at the winter means....'subtropical' ? Seriously ? whatever 'shrooms y'all been ingesting....can I get some ....    |
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Post by cawfeefan on Nov 13, 2022 3:44:27 GMT -5
It's hard for me to consider a place that gets regular snow and freezing temperatures as subtropical. When I hear the term 'subtropical', the first places that come to my mind are SE QLD and NE NSW.
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Post by srfoskey on Nov 13, 2022 13:08:27 GMT -5
I think I've said this elsewhere, but I think we need to split the C category in half. Everywhere with a mean coldest-month temperature between 7.5 and 18°C should be subtropical, and everything with a mean coldest-month temperature between -3 and 7.5°C should be considered temperate. That’s dumb and arguably just as bad as 0-18 c. Erie fits the -3 c threshold and Rochester is almost there, climates like that have nothing in common with somewhere with 55/35 winters. 0 to 7.5 c would be fine but places with sub 0 c means should be continental and have way more in common with much colder means than warmer ones. That could work too, I'm not dead set on specific numbers. But the problem with any system is you will always have places on either side of a boundary that will be put in different categories despite having similar climates. |
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Post by Ariete on Nov 13, 2022 13:42:53 GMT -5
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Post by jetshnl on Nov 13, 2022 14:01:04 GMT -5
It's hard for me to consider a place that gets regular snow and freezing temperatures as subtropical. When I hear the term 'subtropical', the first places that come to my mind are SE QLD and NE NSW. Those locations are the epitome of a subtropical climate. |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Nov 13, 2022 14:13:55 GMT -5
It's hard for me to consider a place that gets regular snow and freezing temperatures as subtropical. When I hear the term 'subtropical', the first places that come to my mind are SE QLD and NE NSW. Those locations are the epitome of a subtropical climate. No, the epitome of subtropicalité is the coastal lowland US South, in cities such as Houston, Nouvelle Orléans, Charleston, and Savannah.
Spanish moss + live oak + sabal palmetto = subtropique maximale  |
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