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Post by Babu on Dec 13, 2017 14:34:45 GMT -5
So these two are, by most most people regarded as having absolutely disgusting climates, but for very different reasons. Buxton is an incredibly drab climate with very little sunshine, a lot of rain and incredibly weak summers, though it's generally harmless temperaturewise.  And then we have Umeå. Though not what most would call a sunny climate, it's still 50% sunnier. It's also significantly drier. Ignore the precipitation days. That's 0.1mm, so mostly dew. The 1mm days are 100-110. It's significantly colder over the year with long and cold winters with guaranteed snowpack for 3-5 months. However, the summer is also warmer.  I think I prefer Umeå. Perhaps. Not quite sure though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 14:35:43 GMT -5
Buxton by x1000. Frigid 9 month winters in Umea with Aprils and October colder than the middle of January here. Marches in Umea make our record coldest March seem tropical. I could never tolerate winters that cold and long. Only one month here is warmer than us (July). The only advantage this has is sunshine, but I take mild first, sun second.
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Post by Lommaren on Dec 13, 2017 14:35:58 GMT -5
Umeå is the easy-ish winner (E+ vs E-). Buxton's winter cold rain is beyond disgusting along with those crummers that aren't exactly Vancouver to compensate for it. Buxton is essentially along with Penrith, Carlisle and Dumfries parodies of bad British climates and to make matters worse they're below 56°N all of 'em.
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Post by Steelernation on Dec 13, 2017 15:14:11 GMT -5
Umea by far. Warmer summers, colder winters, more snow, more sun and most importantly DRIER.
Its an E+/D- vs. an F-
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:26:08 GMT -5
I'd be interested to see how Manchester would compare with Umea seeing as it's basically Buxton but 1.5°C warmer with a bit less rain. It would be interesting to see if some people here would instead vote for that instead of Umea.
One thing I noticed: You are using 1981-2010 data for Buxton vs. 2002-2016 for Umea, Buxton's mean summer temps for the latter period are higher than Umea's (going by mean temperature).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:27:23 GMT -5
i'm not sure the summer in umeå is warmer. using the normal 2002-2016 vs 1981-2010 is deceptive.
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Post by Babu on Dec 13, 2017 15:30:30 GMT -5
i'm not sure the summer in umeå is warmer. using the normal 2002-2016 vs 1981-2010 is deceptive. I don't mean means. Though July is warmer either way. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:31:21 GMT -5
Very difficult. Although Buxton is very gloomy and dull, and is essentially the stereotype of an awful British climate, I think it is a far more livable climate. So wins for that.
As beautiful as I think Umea's winters are, thanks to Baba's photos, they are too cold for me, and essentially last for 6 months. Surely all but the most hardcore cold lovers would eventually be fatigued by that. Summers are better than Buxton's without a doubt. But are short and not nearly good enough to compensate for the winters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:35:48 GMT -5
I can just about understand people voting Umea if they like cold snowy winters, but I wonder if some are kidding themselves a bit. I mean winter is basically September - April there. I think some people voting Umea here would actually be rather sick of how cold it still is by late April while Buxton is already much more mild and comfortable.
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Post by alex992 on Dec 13, 2017 15:38:04 GMT -5
I'd say Umea for the more solid winters, but both really are quite far from ideal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:39:57 GMT -5
i did umeå airports 81-10 averages far back in time on CD-weather. here is that box  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:47:31 GMT -5
They come out exactly identical. I prefer Umeas summer sunshine and max temps but nights are freezing, and of course the rest of the year is a subarctic shitfest.
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Post by Babu on Dec 13, 2017 15:57:41 GMT -5
i did umeå airports 81-10 averages far back in time on CD-weather. here is that box I'd rather compare both at 02-16 though. I am a fan of using more up to date stats actually. The summers are still far warmer during the day. And much sunnier. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:58:58 GMT -5
"Far" warmer is a complete exaggeration. Don't be silly. Your maximum temperature is than 2 degrees warmer for July and 0.1°C warmer for August! Doesn't stop the rest of the year from being an absolute shit heap. I'll give you the sun though (if you can even feel it at that latitude  ) |
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Post by alex992 on Dec 13, 2017 16:14:31 GMT -5
I think using 02-16 is a bit misleading, and not nearly a long enough period to use to represent a climate. Hell, I even think 30 year averages aren't enough to give the full picture of a climate.
Umea has an average annual mean 5 C colder than Buxton, so it's quite easy to see which one is a colder climate. Though Umea is still quite mild for its latitude, a comparable climate in North America at 64 N has an average annual mean of -11 C (Baker Lake, Canada) and Fairbanks at 65 N has an average annual mean of -3 C.
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Post by Babu on Dec 13, 2017 16:23:58 GMT -5
I think using 02-16 is a bit misleading, and not nearly a long enough period to use to represent a climate. Hell, I even think 30 year averages aren't enough to give the full picture of a climate. Umea has an average annual mean 5 C colder than Buxton, so it's quite easy to see which one is a colder climate. Though Umea is still quite mild for its latitude, a comparable climate in North America at 64 N has an average annual mean of -11 C (Baker Lake, Canada) and Fairbanks at 65 N has an average annual mean of -3 C. Idk, climate is changing quicker in 15 extra years than the 15 extra years add accuracy here, if you get what I'm saying. I get why you'd think so seeing as there isn't any noticeable warming in Miami, but it's plainly just ridiculous how they refer to this summer, which is the coolest since 1987, as dead on average. No. It simply isn't. Id year after year after year is above average, then the average has shifted. |
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Post by Cadeau on Dec 13, 2017 16:28:05 GMT -5
Hmm neither is likeable but I'd choose Fuxton.
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Post by Babu on Dec 13, 2017 17:02:10 GMT -5
They come out exactly identical. I prefer Umeas summer sunshine and max temps but nights are freezing, and of course the rest of the year is a subarctic shitfest. The thing is though that (well 1. That the airport is a ridiculous frost trap) the low usually is around 2 am. Due to the long daylight it's usually still decently warm in the evenings, and it's already got decently warm in the mornings. This is in summer. In other seasons the airport is just notorious for recording lows that are 5-10'C colder than the University station. |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Dec 13, 2017 17:13:03 GMT -5
Umea is too cold for too long. Only 5 months with highs above 10C. Buxton is horrible but at least better than Umea
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Post by boombo on Dec 13, 2017 17:30:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't want either, but I went for Buxton because it's essentially where I live in a wet, slightly cool year. Umeå has the edge from May-August with that sun, but their October is like my winter, except for them winter hasn't even started yet.
Buxton still gets enough snow to give me my snow fix most years, I don't need months and months of it.
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