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Post by aabc123 on Nov 21, 2020 10:18:01 GMT -5
21/11
Sunrise: 8:12
Sunset: 15:42
Sunset too early and day too short.
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Post by boombo on Nov 23, 2020 18:07:30 GMT -5
24/11
Sunrise: 07:53
Sunset: 15:57
The dark season feels real from the 29th onwards when we have sunrises in the 8s as well as sunsets in the 15s, but the short winter days only really start bothering me after they've already started to get longer anyway.
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Post by irlinit on Nov 23, 2020 20:03:15 GMT -5
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16:00
Yes ridiculously short days at the moment not helped by our time zone. Thankfully sunsets are already almost at their earliest. Unfortunately it is also about two months until days start to get noticeably longer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 20:56:37 GMT -5
irlinit Two months from now your sunset will be closer to 16:30 but with sunrise close to 08:00, despite similar noon sun angle... Throw in permanent DST and it would be 17:30 sunset (almost like here in the tropics!) but with 09:00 sunrise. Lerwick would have 10:00+ sunrises around the solstice under that proposal... still, with pre-16:00 sunsets But each to their own... Here late Jan has 18:30 sunsets with almost 06:30 sunrises, compared to 06:00-18:05 in late November. Here, the equation of time difference is the main variable of solar times...
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Post by irlinit on Nov 24, 2020 14:01:59 GMT -5
irlinit Two months from now your sunset will be closer to 16:30 but with sunrise close to 08:00, despite similar noon sun angle... Throw in permanent DST and it would be 17:30 sunset (almost like here in the tropics!) but with 09:00 sunrise. Lerwick would have 10:00+ sunrises around the solstice under that proposal... still, with pre-16:00 sunsets But each to their own... Here late Jan has 18:30 sunsets with almost 06:30 sunrises, compared to 06:00-18:05 in late November. Here, the equation of time difference is the main variable of solar times... Deep winter i can understand our timezone even though it sucks, fact is we are too far north to have much room for manoeuvre. It is inexcusable for our clocks to have to wait until the end of March to move forward though, by which point sunrises are before 6am yet sunsets are still early at 6:30pm before the clock change. It is such a waste of daylight when hardly anyone is up before 6. |
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Post by rozenn on Nov 24, 2020 16:53:08 GMT -5
Paris, Nov 25 8:15 16:59 irlinit Two months from now your sunset will be closer to 16:30 but with sunrise close to 08:00, despite similar noon sun angle... Throw in permanent DST and it would be 17:30 sunset (almost like here in the tropics!) but with 09:00 sunrise. Lerwick would have 10:00+ sunrises around the solstice under that proposal... still, with pre-16:00 sunsets But each to their own... Here late Jan has 18:30 sunsets with almost 06:30 sunrises, compared to 06:00-18:05 in late November. Here, the equation of time difference is the main variable of solar times... Deep winter i can understand our timezone even though it sucks, fact is we are too far north to have much room for manoeuvre. It is inexcusable for our clocks to have to wait until the end of March to move forward though, by which point sunrises are before 6am yet sunsets are still early at 6:30pm before the clock change. It is such a waste of daylight when hardly anyone is up before 6. But yet most people are like "hurr durr we must stop changing clocks back and forth I get jetlag for 1 month each season it's killing me hurrr durrrrrr." I expect a major backlash if we switch to permanent DST, with sunrises nearing 10 am here, or even past 10 am in places in Brittany or Normandy not even at 50°N. I for one don't mind late sunrises, but I enjoy the Christmassy atmosphere that goes with early sunsets in early winter, and will miss it if we ditch our winter time - that is already not really our natural time. Good that you won't have to put up with this bullshit thanks to Brexit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 18:41:13 GMT -5
I think France would choose permanent standard time over permanent DST since they standard time is really DST. Same with Spain and Andorra. (Most of) Benelux is also technically on DST/double DST. (Amsterdam was like +0:20 back then)
With permanent winter time, Paris would still get just before 5am sunrise (not that early for almost 49°N) and sunset just before 9pm at summer solstice
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 7:19:37 GMT -5
For Pekanbaru tomorrow 30/11:
Sunrise 06:00
Sunset 18:05
Solar noon 12:02
First sunrise at 6 or later in nearly 2 months
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Post by Cadeau on Nov 29, 2020 9:44:10 GMT -5
Today (29 November 2020)
Civil Twilight Starts = 07:42
Sunrise = 08:18
Solar Noon = 12:37 (19.6° above the horizon)
Sunset = 16:55
Civil Twilight Ends = 17:31
Day Length = 8 hours 37 minutes
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Yes, permanent UTC +1 is better to choose a time zone to stick year-round.
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Post by firebird1988 on Nov 30, 2020 9:30:32 GMT -5
11/30 Phoenix, AZ
Sunrise 7:13am UTC-7
Sunset 5:20pm UTC-7
We have hit our early sunset for the year, today is 10 hrs 7 mins long. We have lost 4 hrs 16 mins of daylight since 6/23, and will lose another 11 mins of daylight by 12/21. Sunrise will be 15 mins later and sunset will be 4 mins later
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Post by boombo on Nov 30, 2020 12:49:19 GMT -5
Sunrise: 08:03
Sunset: 15:51
We're in the deep midwinter gloom phase now. The lowest peak sun angle here is 12.7 degrees so not that low compared to some on here, but overcast days definitely have a different feel to them once you go below about 15 degrees (14.3 was the peak today).
Because of all the low cloud 9 am today barely felt like any more than twilight even though the sun had been up nearly an hour, I can't even imagine how much worse it is living above 60N.
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Post by kronan on Nov 30, 2020 12:51:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 6:19:52 GMT -5
2nd Dec sun just set, so stats for tomorrow, Thursday 3rd Dec:
Astronomical Dawn: 04:46
Nautical Dawn: 05:12
Civil Dawn: 05:38
Sunrise: 06:01
Morning Golden Hour Ends: 06:30
Solar Noon: 12:04
Evening Golden Hour Starts: 17:37
Sunset: 18:06
Civil Dusk: 18:29
Nautical Dusk: 18:55
Astronomical Dusk: 19:21
Due to the clear/dry spell the later sunset time is becoming more noticeable. Yesterday evening I saw visible twilight at 18:50 (-11° sun altitude)
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Post by Benfxmth on Dec 4, 2020 16:59:25 GMT -5
December 4th, 2020
Sunrise: 7:01 AM
Sunset: 4:55 PM
Solar Noon: 11:58 AM
Solar Culmination: 32.6°
Today & tomorrow will have the earliest sunsets here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 2:39:46 GMT -5
Astronomical dawn: 04:48
Nautical dawn: 05:14
Civil dawn: 05:40
Sunrise: 06:03
Morning golden hour ends: 06:32
Solar Noon: 12:05
Evening golden hour starts: 17:39
Sunset: 18:08
Civil Dusk: 18:31
Nautical Dusk: 18:57
Astronomical Dusk: 19:23
Solar noon sun angle: 66.8°
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Post by boombo on Dec 7, 2020 15:10:00 GMT -5
Last week before polar night in the city with the worst sunset times in the world.  Sun times themselves don't tell the whole story in the Arctic though because of how long the twilights are. For example, the sun is above the horizon for 2 hours and 54 minutes on Vorkuta on 1 December (max sun angle of 1.0 degrees) and doesn't rise at all on 16 December but the length of civil twilight only changes from 6h20 to 5h36, barely enough to notice. www.timeanddate.com/sun/russia/vorkuta |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 18:46:43 GMT -5
Last week before polar night in the city with the worst sunset times in the world. Sun times themselves don't tell the whole story in the Arctic though because of how long the twilights are. For example, the sun is above the horizon for 2 hours and 54 minutes on Vorkuta on 1 December (max sun angle of 1.0 degrees) and doesn't rise at all on 16 December but the length of civil twilight only changes from 6h20 to 5h36, barely enough to notice. www.timeanddate.com/sun/russia/vorkutaThe "reverse" of such times (ie 11am sunsets) are 1pm sunrises, roughly equal to Utqiagvik/Barrow (Alaska) times in January just after polar night, in standard time!Nome is even farther west with same time zone, but doesn't have polar nights |
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Post by irlinit on Dec 7, 2020 18:47:03 GMT -5
Paris, Nov 25 8:15 16:59 Deep winter i can understand our timezone even though it sucks, fact is we are too far north to have much room for manoeuvre. It is inexcusable for our clocks to have to wait until the end of March to move forward though, by which point sunrises are before 6am yet sunsets are still early at 6:30pm before the clock change. It is such a waste of daylight when hardly anyone is up before 6. But yet most people are like "hurr durr we must stop changing clocks back and forth I get jetlag for 1 month each season it's killing me hurrr durrrrrr." I expect a major backlash if we switch to permanent DST, with sunrises nearing 10 am here, or even past 10 am in places in Brittany or Normandy not even at 50°N. I for one don't mind late sunrises, but I enjoy the Christmassy atmosphere that goes with early sunsets in early winter, and will miss it if we ditch our winter time - that is already not really our natural time. Good that you won't have to put up with this bullshit thanks to Brexit. Damn, when is this supposed to happen that EU countries choose summer or standard time? It makes no sense to me, I don't understand the fuss with changing time at all and surely it's good for tourism and most people like the light evenings? What do you think France will choose? Personally I hope you choose permanent summer time as I love the later sunsets in summer when I visit |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 18:58:54 GMT -5
Paris with permanent summer time would result in nearly 10am sunrises at the latest (roughly the same as present-day Tórshavn) but with near 6pm sunsets at the earliest (on par with the tropics)...
Brest would have sunrises past 10am in the depths of winter... the price one have to pay to avoid pre-6pm sunsets...
But each to their own...
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Post by rozenn on Dec 7, 2020 19:10:05 GMT -5
Most people seem in favor of permanent DST but I dunno exactly what the decision-making process is. Anyway apparently it's been postponed due to Covid. A 1-hour clock change twice a year messing with sleep schedules my sweaty hairy ass. Some of the complainers probably regularly take intercontinental flights.  |
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