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Post by Babu on Mar 8, 2019 5:21:57 GMT -5
Which precipitation pattern do you prefer?
If you ask me, wet summers are simply superior to wet winters.
1. Plants don't need as much water in winter. 2. Rain is colder and more uncomfortable in winter. 3. Summer rain can come with handsome thunderstorms, and tends to fall in shorter durations instead of drizzling for days on end. 4. You don't need a lot of precipitation to have a lot of snow.
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Post by knot on Mar 8, 2019 5:45:29 GMT -5
"You don't need a lot of precipitation to have a lot of snow"...but you'll need a lot of cold. Also, wetter summers tend to be muggier and more boring. Proved you WRONG with just two statements, I must say.
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Post by Babu on Mar 8, 2019 6:03:17 GMT -5
"You don't need a lot of precipitation to have a lot of snow"...but you'll need a lot of cold. That's not even a counterargument.
Also, wetter summers tend to be muggier and more boring. The mediterranean climates are just as muggy as eastern USA, and I wouldn't say eastern USA has more boring summers than the Med...Proved you WRONG with just two statements, I must say. Proved what exactly?
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Post by Donar on Mar 8, 2019 6:07:19 GMT -5
Very wet summers are worse than very dry summers, though. It would suck if the one season with warm-tohot days is ruined by rain and excessive mugginess every day. Especially if the summer rain isn't composed of thunderstorms, like in East Asia. decent summer rain > dryish summers > no summer rain > excessive summer rain.
Edit: There is nothing positive about wet winters indeed.
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Post by knot on Mar 8, 2019 6:08:31 GMT -5
Babu I. I thought you hated the cold? It is most certainly a counter-argument if you do. II. The Mediterranean, alongside Europe in general, is a major ANOMALY. III. Proved you wrong yet again, but alas! This time, it was done by you shooting yourself in the foot.
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Post by alex992 on Mar 8, 2019 6:51:05 GMT -5
Indeed, summer is a time for thunderstorms, high heat/humidity, and lush vegetation. And like you said, you don't need much precipitation to get lots of snow.
Dry summers and summer high pressure can fuck off to hell where they belong.
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Post by Babu on Mar 8, 2019 7:05:05 GMT -5
Babu I. I thought you hated the cold? It is most certainly a counter-argument if you do. II. The Mediterranean, alongside Europe in general, is a major ANOMALY. III. Proved you wrong yet again, but alas! This time, it was done by you shooting yourself in the foot. I mentioned snow even though my dream climate doesn't have a winter, because I know a lot of you want precipitation in the winter so that your 4-seasonal climate can have a lot of snow. How is that shooting myself in the foot? Just because I'm not completely bigoted and narcissistic and am able to have nuanced arguments taking in the preferences and perspectives of others? And let's list all climates with hot (at least 28'C highs) and non-humid summers (average DP below 16'C): Semi-arid and desert climates at subtropical and tropical latitudes, western Australia (dry summer) and inland California (dry summer), and some highland climates (sometimes moderately wet summers). Let's list some dry summers with hot and humid summers: the Meds, Morocco, Red sea, Baja California, and I'm sure countless others like a bunch of semi arid or arid tropical climates near seas. I will admit there are fewer climates that are non-humid and hot, and at the same time wet in summer, compared to dry summer climates, but dry summers don't equal non-humid summers.
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Post by Babu on Mar 8, 2019 9:48:53 GMT -5
Wet Winters! Not some godawful Manchurian/Plains regime where the only things possible are severe, harsh dry cold or excessive hyper-muggy heat 1, Winter walks in showery weather! 2. Dry cold damages your skin -- minneapolis winters are AWFUL for my skin and make me itch once I am inside-- wet chill can instead soothe it by providing needed moisture 3. Reduced risk of vector-borne illness-- hot and muggy/wet weather is the biggest contributor here 4. Increased chances of a little snow! 5. reduced precip required to look lush I prefer a weak summer drying trend--enough rain to prevent drought but not excessively damp: 1. wet hot weather can bring oppressive humidity, while moderately drier weather is less likely to feel unfomfortable 2. short thunderstorms limit the amount of time that can be spent outdoors while it is raining-- going outside is a hazard in severe weather, which is much more prevalent (but can still occur, to be fair with a winter wet one) in a summer wet season, while one can continue to go outside in winter windstorms and noreasters That is why I prefer a moderate winter-wet summer-dry pattern! Done with desert/tundra Mpls winters! Well your an rediculous anomoly masochist who likes being uncomfortable. And cold weather is going to be dry no matter how much it rains; if it's below freezing, the DP is also going to be below freezing. Umeå and most of Fennoscandia tend to hover around 90-100% RH throughout the winter and the winters here aren't wet. And exactly - reduced precip required to look lush. Just my sentiment. This means you don't need much precipitation in winter.
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Post by AJ1013 on Mar 8, 2019 9:51:23 GMT -5
I’m heavily in favor of rainy summers. Partially because I think summers should be lush, green, vibrant, and alive and also because I love thunderstorms. I Prefer moderate humidity (55F-65F dp’s) but am willing to put up with high humidity if it means lots of thunderstorms. Dry and hot weather is painful and pointless.
The elevated american west gets terrific summers with bountiful thunderstorms, heavy rain, yet pleasant temps and moderate humidity.
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Post by jgtheone on Mar 8, 2019 10:00:32 GMT -5
Imagine finally having summer break only for it to rain every second day LMAO
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Post by tij on Mar 8, 2019 10:00:56 GMT -5
Wet Winters! Not some godawful Manchurian/Plains regime where the only things possible are severe, harsh dry cold or excessive hyper-muggy heat 1, Winter walks in showery weather! 2. Dry cold damages your skin -- minneapolis winters are AWFUL for my skin and make me itch once I am inside-- wet chill can instead soothe it by providing needed moisture 3. Reduced risk of vector-borne illness-- hot and muggy/wet weather is the biggest contributor here 4. Increased chances of a little snow! 5. reduced precip required to look lush I prefer a weak summer drying trend--enough rain to prevent drought but not excessively damp: 1. wet hot weather can bring oppressive humidity, while moderately drier weather is less likely to feel unfomfortable 2. short thunderstorms limit the amount of time that can be spent outdoors while it is raining-- going outside is a hazard in severe weather, which is much more prevalent (but can still occur, to be fair with a winter wet one) in a summer wet season, while one can continue to go outside in winter windstorms and noreasters That is why I prefer a moderate winter-wet summer-dry pattern! Done with desert/tundra Mpls winters! Well your an rediculous anomoly masochist who likes being uncomfortable. And cold weather is going to be dry no matter how much it rains; if it's below freezing, the DP is also going to be below freezing. Umeå and most of Fennoscandia tend to hover around 90-100% RH throughout the winter and the winters here aren't wet. And exactly - reduced precip required to look lush. Just my sentiment. This means you don't need much precipitation in winter. Likes being uncomfortable? Disliking brutal, mugged-out, troppo, mosquito-infested (MN is BAD for mosquitoes lol), severe summers and extreme arid, frigid, tundra, exccessvely low dewpoint winters? And actual rainfall does make a difference in how bearable winter dryness is-- showery weather itself can moisturize your skin, and comparing wet-winter to wet-summer climates, the former require moist airmasses in winter which would raise dews. Your argument that RH is 90-100% in Umea is more a statement against excessively cold winters than it is against winter wetness. Somewhere in Kansas vs somewhere in the Pacific Northwests with the same averages will have far more dry, cold, air that attacks your skin. And you never addressed my contention about mosquito borne disease. For instance, Portland has a limited mosquito risk due to its dry summers. One point is that places in the Dakotas can look totally semiarid despite having colder annual averages and more rainfall overall than the UK. This is because the excessive concentration of precip in the hot season tends to resitrict plant growth because evaporation is extremely high during the summers--- if that rainfall was more evenly distributed, the Dakotas would look less arid overall.
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Post by AJ1013 on Mar 8, 2019 10:01:58 GMT -5
Imagine finally having summer break only for it to rain every second day LMAO That’s every summer of my life and I love it.
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Post by jgtheone on Mar 8, 2019 10:02:58 GMT -5
Imagine finally having summer break only for it to rain every second day LMAO That’s every summer of my life and I love it. Very grim to be honest
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Post by tij on Mar 8, 2019 10:04:38 GMT -5
I’m heavily in favor of rainy summers. Partially because I think summers should be lush, green, vibrant, and alive and also because I love thunderstorms. I Prefer moderate humidity (55F-65F dp’s) but am willing to put up with high humidity if it means lots of thunderstorms. Dry and hot weather is painful and pointless. The elevated american west gets terrific summers with bountiful thunderstorms, heavy rain, yet pleasant temps and moderate humidity. Summers can still look "lush and green" in general from less rainfall if temperatures are less severe overall. "Lush and green" really refers here more to swampy, marshy, and buggy summers www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/38358292/mosquitoes-monsoon-rain-disease-west-nile-encephalitis-dengue-chikungunya-zika/
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Post by AJ1013 on Mar 8, 2019 10:07:50 GMT -5
I’m heavily in favor of rainy summers. Partially because I think summers should be lush, green, vibrant, and alive and also because I love thunderstorms. I Prefer moderate humidity (55F-65F dp’s) but am willing to put up with high humidity if it means lots of thunderstorms. Dry and hot weather is painful and pointless. The elevated american west gets terrific summers with bountiful thunderstorms, heavy rain, yet pleasant temps and moderate humidity. Summers can still look "lush and green" in general from less rainfall if temperatures are less severe overall. "Lush and green" really refers here more to swampy, marshy, and buggy summers Not true at all. My ideal summers see 6-8” of rain per month. An amount commonly seen in the west in places like Mt Lemmon which aren’t swampy marshy or buggy at all.
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Post by tij on Mar 8, 2019 10:14:06 GMT -5
Summers can still look "lush and green" in general from less rainfall if temperatures are less severe overall. "Lush and green" really refers here more to swampy, marshy, and buggy summers Not true at all. My ideal summers see 6-8” of rain per month. An amount commonly seen in the west in places like Mt Lemmon which aren’t swampy marshy or buggy at all. It doesn't look "lush and green" -- more like arid, western pine forest from the pictures shown.
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Post by AJ1013 on Mar 8, 2019 10:30:21 GMT -5
Not true at all. My ideal summers see 6-8” of rain per month. An amount commonly seen in the west in places like Mt Lemmon which aren’t swampy marshy or buggy at all. It doesn't look "lush and green" -- more like arid, western pine forest from the pictures shown. Yeah looks really really arid
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Post by Babu on Mar 8, 2019 10:42:06 GMT -5
Well your an rediculous anomoly masochist who likes being uncomfortable. And cold weather is going to be dry no matter how much it rains; if it's below freezing, the DP is also going to be below freezing. Umeå and most of Fennoscandia tend to hover around 90-100% RH throughout the winter and the winters here aren't wet. And exactly - reduced precip required to look lush. Just my sentiment. This means you don't need much precipitation in winter. Likes being uncomfortable? Disliking brutal, mugged-out, troppo, mosquito-infested (MN is BAD for mosquitoes lol), severe summers and extreme arid, frigid, tundra, exccessvely low dewpoint winters? And actual rainfall does make a difference in how bearable winter dryness is-- showery weather itself can moisturize your skin, and comparing wet-winter to wet-summer climates, the former require moist airmasses in winter which would raise dews. Your argument that RH is 90-100% in Umea is more a statement against excessively cold winters than it is against winter wetness. Somewhere in Kansas vs somewhere in the Pacific Northwests with the same averages will have far more dry, cold, air that attacks your skin. And you never addressed my contention about mosquito borne disease. For instance, Portland has a limited mosquito risk due to its dry summers. One point is that places in the Dakotas can look totally semiarid despite having colder annual averages and more rainfall overall than the UK. This is because the excessive concentration of precip in the hot season tends to resitrict plant growth because evaporation is extremely high during the summers--- if that rainfall was more evenly distributed, the Dakotas would look less arid overall. Or the Dakotas look dry because they have more than twice the insolation compared to London... More winter precipitation would do nothing at all for North Dakota because no plants will be able to absorb any water from November to March. Any winter precipitation is going to be absorbed in March-April when it starts thawing, but by then ND is already wetter than London anyway. And compare the forests of Bar, Montenegro with the forests in Virginia and you'll see what a dry summer does for the vegetation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 13:34:00 GMT -5
Wet summers and wet winters please 1. Grass and trees stay green year-round 2. Beautiful thunderstorms in summer 3. Rain in winter is more efficient due to lower evapotranspiration 4. Less dry cold in winter 5. Weather becomes less predictable and more variable 6. Non-drought-tolerant plants are able to grow well 7. Very minimal to no risk of wildfires EDIT: If a climate has cold continental winters I'd prefer drier winters to reduce snowfall.
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Post by antares on Mar 8, 2019 14:19:47 GMT -5
Indeed, summer is a time for thunderstorms, high heat/humidity, and lush vegetation. And like you said, you don't need much precipitation to get lots of snow. Dry summers and summer high pressure can fuck off to hell where they belong. yeah fuck that shit. I want moisture in summer.
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