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Post by Lommaren on Mar 22, 2019 20:49:24 GMT -5
Summers look a bit warmer than before even not looking at Weaverville's old averages. The absence of snowfall would be a major loss for that region though since that was always a charm during those depressing winters. Is Happy Camp still alright for snow if you can find it? They used to have lows below freezing for peak winter.
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Post by Ariete on Mar 23, 2019 4:39:20 GMT -5
Let me know if you guys want me to do some for US cities. It’s very easy and quick to do.
I would be extremely interested in Ann Arbor and Detroit.  |
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Post by Ariete on Mar 23, 2019 9:41:53 GMT -5
Did the "Swedish style" 2002-2018 box for Kronoby. Like Umeå on the other side of the Baltic Sea Kronoby turned köppen schmöppen humid continental, making the vegetation change dramatically. When the September mean was 9.9C, Kronoby was a treeless frozen tundra, but now when the mean is 10.1C it's a breadbasket with vast beech forests.
The only interesting things about this box are that during this time period October's lows went above freezing and that Kronoby holds the Finnish October heat record recorded last year.
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 23, 2019 9:50:44 GMT -5
Is there some sort of Swedish-language open data-style part on the FMI website? If so, where can I find it?
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Post by Ariete on Mar 23, 2019 9:52:43 GMT -5
Is there some sort of Swedish-language open data-style part on the FMI website? If so, where can I find it?
Nope, sorry.
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Post by Nidaros on Mar 23, 2019 10:24:51 GMT -5
Did the "Swedish style" 2002-2018 box for Kronoby. Like Umeå on the other side of the Baltic Sea Kronoby turned köppen schmöppen humid continental, making the vegetation change dramatically. When the September mean was 9.9C, Kronoby was a treeless frozen tundra, but now when the mean is 10.1C it's a breadbasket with vast beech forests.
The only interesting things about this box are that during this time period October's lows went above freezing and that Kronoby holds the Finnish October heat record recorded last year.
Tried the same "Swedish normal" for Trondheim AP Værnes (using WO) and got annual mean 6.4C, with avg July high 20C and Sep mean 11.5C. That short "normal period" had many warm months in summer. |
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Post by Babu on Mar 23, 2019 10:59:06 GMT -5
Is there some sort of Swedish-language open data-style part on the FMI website? If so, where can I find it? There's a climate robot in English that gives you excel files and stuff. |
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 23, 2019 14:55:00 GMT -5
I would be extremely interested in Ann Arbor and Detroit. Here’s Ann Arbor:  |
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Post by Ariete on Mar 23, 2019 15:17:20 GMT -5
Great stuff, thanks! The only downside is that precipitation pattern.
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Post by Ariete on Mar 23, 2019 16:30:47 GMT -5
Helsinki Airport with sunshine and %. Either I did something wrong or then it's what I expect: though it's nominally "day", the sun is to weak to be caught on recorders. I googled that 60N has around 4449 hours of daylight a year, and 1838 of them being sunny translates to 41.3%. IDK. Fuck percentages, I won't do this again.
IDK if the Wikipedia percentages are accurate, but Stuttgart has 1807 hours of sunshine annually, and it translates to 40% of possible.
edit: real sunshine percentage in Stuttgart is 41% if you judge by the total estimated daylight hours. So the further north you go the more cucked you will be by percentages. As our twilight times are much longer than further south, it's probably the same with day and sunshine. For example on 1 March nautical twilight lasted in Turku 3 hours longer than the daylight, while in NYC it was 2 hours. On 1 May civil twilight lasts for 2 hours in Turku and only 1 hour in NYC.
Maybe the sunshine percentages would be at least a bit better if I reduce one hour of daylight an hour which seems to go to waste?
Of course I could look at daily stats from Utsjoki Kevo which has midnight sun, but I'm 100% sure that not a single day can record 24 hours of sunshine.
edit2: if we establish an arbitrary threshold that a sun angle below 4 degrees cannot snap sunshine or only a part of it, on summer solstice in Turku this period is from 4:01 to 4:52 and from 22:00 to 23:01. In NYC it's from 5:24 to 5:55 and 20:00 from 20:30. So one hour for NYC, and 1 h 52 mins for Turku, meaning that 52 minutes go to waste.
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 23, 2019 19:07:57 GMT -5
Gimli 2002-2018: It's not really comparable to the old normals at the harbour station which lacked precipitation values for the open data. Judging by old snow ratios and the decreasing precipitation, snowfall is probably between 130-135 cm, although that data was also missing.  Thoughts on this one 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 ? One of your favourites? Probably between 2,300 and 2,400 hours of sunshine annually. |
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Post by Babu on Mar 23, 2019 20:21:57 GMT -5
Helsinki Airport with sunshine and %. Either I did something wrong or then it's what I expect: though it's nominally "day", the sun is to weak to be caught on recorders. I googled that 60N has around 4449 hours of daylight a year, and 1838 of them being sunny translates to 41.3%. IDK. Fuck percentages, I won't do this again.
IDK if the Wikipedia percentages are accurate, but Stuttgart has 1807 hours of sunshine annually, and it translates to 40% of possible.
edit: real sunshine percentage in Stuttgart is 41% if you judge by the total estimated daylight hours. So the further north you go the more cucked you will be by percentages. As our twilight times are much longer than further south, it's probably the same with day and sunshine. For example on 1 March nautical twilight lasted in Turku 3 hours longer than the daylight, while in NYC it was 2 hours. On 1 May civil twilight lasts for 2 hours in Turku and only 1 hour in NYC.
Maybe the sunshine percentages would be at least a bit better if I reduce one hour of daylight an hour which seems to go to waste?
Of course I could look at daily stats from Utsjoki Kevo which has midnight sun, but I'm 100% sure that not a single day can record 24 hours of sunshine.
edit2: if we establish an arbitrary threshold that a sun angle below 4 degrees cannot snap sunshine or only a part of it, on summer solstice in Turku this period is from 4:01 to 4:52 and from 22:00 to 23:01. In NYC it's from 5:24 to 5:55 and 20:00 from 20:30. So one hour for NYC, and 1 h 52 mins for Turku, meaning that 52 minutes go to waste.
The reason the average sun percentage was lower than the 41% it should've been is it isn't weighed by the daylength of each months. For annual sun hours, it doesn't matter much if December is cloudy, but if June is cloudy, it will affect the year's total by a lot, but on the annual average sun percent in the wiki box, December and June are weighed equally - this is the cause for the disparity. |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 25, 2019 18:01:34 GMT -5
Upon Yahya Sinwar 's request, here are 20 climates in between 51° and 52°N by the same method as the 45°N version. The one climate that is below that is Cologne, which straddles the 51°N line but the weather station is below it. The problem with all of Düsseldorf, Essen and Dortmund is that they lack extremes, so I went with Cologne instead for full disclosure. Here are the 20 selected stations: Cork, London, Cologne, Wroclaw, Voronezh, Orenburg, Astana, Kyzyl, Ulan-Ude, Chita, Huma County, Nogliki, Adak, 100 Mile House, Calgary, Kindersley, Dauphin, Moosonee, Blanc-Sablon and St. Anthony.
Sadly, there's hardly any human inhabitation at 51°N in Québec, and the one settlement there on the Hudson Bay appears to have no official weather station. In the interior, all I found was uninhabited wasteland. The real far eastern part of mainland Siberia is also pretty much uninhabitated save for a few villages between 51° and 52°N, but I still found several good examples for Siberia and one for Sakhalin. As far as landmasses go: Ireland 1 Great Britain 1 Eurasia 9 Sakhalin 1 Adak Island 1 North America 6 Newfoundland 1
Sunshine then? I'd say low 1900's somewhere.
 Thoughts? 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 , knot , tij , Steelernation and @b87 (the latter because London)? Also of course Tarheel, was it colder or warmer than expected? I'd perhaps expected a bit like this, but with slightly colder winters, something that would've been the case had I been able to find one single interior Québec station! In real life, this reminds me a bit of Eastern Finland and parts of Northwestern Russia, but no specific station. |
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Post by knot on Mar 25, 2019 18:04:12 GMT -5
Upon Yahya Sinwar 's request, here are 20 climates in between 51° and 52°N by the same method as the 45°N version. The one climate that is below that is Cologne, which straddles the 51°N line but the weather station is below it. The problem with all of Düsseldorf, Essen and Dortmund is that they lack extremes, so I went with Cologne instead for full disclosure. Here are the 20 selected stations: Cork, London, Cologne, Wroclaw, Voronezh, Orenburg, Astana, Kyzyl, Ulan-Ude, Chita, Huma County, Nogliki, Adak, 100 Mile House, Calgary, Kindersley, Dauphin, Moosonee, Blanc-Sablon and St. Anthony.
Sadly, there's hardly any human inhabitation at 51°N in Québec, and the one settlement there on the Hudson Bay appears to have no official weather station. In the interior, all I found was uninhabited wasteland. The real far eastern part of mainland Siberia is also pretty much uninhabitated save for a few villages between 51° and 52°N, but I still found several good examples for Siberia and one for Sakhalin. As far as landmasses go: Ireland 1 Great Britain 1 Eurasia 9 Sakhalin 1 Adak Island 1 North America 6 Newfoundland 1 Thoughts? 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 , knot , tij , Steelernation and @b87 (the latter because London)? Also of course Tarheel, was it colder or warmer than expected? I'd perhaps expected a bit like this, but with slightly colder winters, something that would've been the case had I been able to find one single interior Québec station! B+; codswallop frigid ice-box cold fucken desert winters, but summers are fair. |
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Post by Yahya Sinwar on Mar 25, 2019 18:11:12 GMT -5
Upon Yahya Sinwar 's request, here are 20 climates in between 51° and 52°N by the same method as the 45°N version. The one climate that is below that is Cologne, which straddles the 51°N line but the weather station is below it. The problem with all of Düsseldorf, Essen and Dortmund is that they lack extremes, so I went with Cologne instead for full disclosure. Here are the 20 selected stations: Cork, London, Cologne, Wroclaw, Voronezh, Orenburg, Astana, Kyzyl, Ulan-Ude, Chita, Huma County, Nogliki, Adak, 100 Mile House, Calgary, Kindersley, Dauphin, Moosonee, Blanc-Sablon and St. Anthony.
Sadly, there's hardly any human inhabitation at 51°N in Québec, and the one settlement there on the Hudson Bay appears to have no official weather station. In the interior, all I found was uninhabited wasteland. The real far eastern part of mainland Siberia is also pretty much uninhabitated save for a few villages between 51° and 52°N, but I still found several good examples for Siberia and one for Sakhalin. As far as landmasses go: Ireland 1 Great Britain 1 Eurasia 9 Sakhalin 1 Adak Island 1 North America 6 Newfoundland 1 Thoughts? 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 , knot , tij , Steelernation and @b87 (the latter because London)? Also of course Tarheel, was it colder or warmer than expected? I'd perhaps expected a bit like this, but with slightly colder winters, something that would've been the case had I been able to find one single interior Québec station! In real life, this reminds me a bit of Eastern Finland and parts of Northwestern Russia, but no specific station. wow summers look exactly like London actual summers! |
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Post by knot on Mar 25, 2019 18:13:20 GMT -5
Yahya Sinwar Much better than "London actual summers", in fact! Much more variable, with less cloud, and actually has something called "diurnal range".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 18:21:22 GMT -5
They are quite a lot cooler than London summers (almost 2c cooler means), with much cooler record lows and also very wet.
E rating (vs C for London).
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 25, 2019 18:25:46 GMT -5
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Mar 25, 2019 18:31:25 GMT -5
A+++++++++
Very nice climate indeed!
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Post by tij on Mar 25, 2019 18:31:26 GMT -5
Lommaren Hm.. actually a bit milder winters that I thought... maybe missing Québec might be the reason for that-- obviously areas with milder winters will be more densely populated and more likely to have weather stations... summers are a bit cool for me but not severely so (june lows in the 40s are no good tho), but winters are certainly not the best-- its a huge fail tho imo that Mpls has harsher record lows than that-- this is where oceanic europe really helps-- It gets a D+ for the disasterous Nov and general harshness.. Could you try 42N? that could be the best latitude for me climatewise? of course shenyang is a disaster but providence/boston, the oregon coast, Galicia might help? Steelernation can you do Block Island, RI?
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