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Post by Steelernation on Mar 25, 2019 18:45:50 GMT -5
tij block island has no data. Iโll do Chatham, MA which seems pretty moderated and has complete data.
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 25, 2019 19:11:37 GMT -5
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Post by Yahya Sinwar on Mar 25, 2019 19:37:07 GMT -5
They are quite a lot cooler than London summers (almost 2c cooler means), with much cooler record lows and also very wet. E rating (vs C for London). Seriously? Highs look identical and the summers are hardly wet. Not too mention, summer lows would be like london -uhi. Definetely looks london like. |
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Post by tij on Mar 25, 2019 21:06:56 GMT -5
Steelernation chatham looks decent for me-- B/B+... its transitions/highs are a bit on the chilly side for me but those summers look nice!.. do you have montauk/anything in eastern long island?
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Post by tij on Mar 25, 2019 21:22:55 GMT -5
They are quite a lot cooler than London summers (almost 2c cooler means), with much cooler record lows and also very wet. E rating (vs C for London). Seriously? Highs look identical and the summers are hardly wet. Not too mention, summer lows would be like london -uhi. Definetely looks london like. ummm london even outside the uhi sure didn't record frost in august... lol you sound like wavehunter www.city-data.com/forum/weather/1933297-climate-battle-july-vancouver-subarctic-climate.html |
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Post by Yahya Sinwar on Mar 25, 2019 22:31:01 GMT -5
Are you blind? I meant the averages not records ... |
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Post by Yahya Sinwar on Mar 25, 2019 22:32:35 GMT -5
Lommaren Hm.. actually a bit milder winters that I thought... maybe missing Quรฉbec might be the reason for that-- obviously areas with milder winters will be more densely populated and more likely to have weather stations... summers are a bit cool for me but not severely so (june lows in the 40s are no good tho), but winters are certainly not the best-- its a huge fail tho imo that Mpls has harsher record lows than that-- this is where oceanic europe really helps-- It gets a D+ for the disasterous Nov and general harshness.. Could you try 42N? that could be the best latitude for me climatewise? of course shenyang is a disaster but providence/boston, the oregon coast, Galicia might help? Steelernation can you do Block Island, RI? If we were to do average by area minus the ocean it would likely be much much colder considering how much landmass na and Eurasia has at 51-52 versus the small sliver of mildness along Western Europe and the immediate pacific coast. |
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 25, 2019 23:00:26 GMT -5
Steelernation chatham looks decent for me-- B/B+... its transitions/highs are a bit on the chilly side for me but those summers look nice!.. do you have montauk/anything in eastern long island? Montauk is missing data but itโs more continental. January was 40/28 and July was 80/66. Add like 3-5 f to the shoulder seasons too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 3:53:36 GMT -5
They are quite a lot cooler than London summers (almost 2c cooler means), with much cooler record lows and also very wet. E rating (vs C for London). Seriously? Highs look identical and the summers are hardly wet. Not too mention, summer lows would be like london -uhi. Definetely looks london like. Paris summers are closer to London's than that climate. Something tells me that you wouldn't call a 21.4c June, 23.9c July and 24.1c average high in August 'identical' to London, though the departure from average would be the same as in this case. In the entire recording history of Heathrow, only 3 summer months have equalled or failed to reach those average minima. |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 26, 2019 8:50:53 GMT -5
58ยฐN in general using the same principle. The 20 chosen climates were: Thurso, Stavanger, Koster Islands, Norrkรถping (my own-made 1991-2018 averages rather than the Wikibox), Tartu, Rybinsk, Kirov, Perm, Tobolsk, Yeniseysk, Ust-Ilimsk, Aldan, Okhotsk, King Salmon, Juneau, Fort Nelson, High Level, Churchill, Inukjuak and Kuujjuaq.
I had to use Okhotsk since there were no coastal settlements with weather stations anywhere on the latitude, but it was only 0.22ยฐN farther north anyway. The annual range stretches from 15.4ยฐC in July to -13.5ยฐC in January.
The end result is this, with the snowfall guesstimated based upon temperature and precipitation using a 1:10 as a baseline, simultaneously keeping in mind that cold equals more cm per mm fallen. This all concludes to a subarctic Dfc climate, 0.65ยฐC below Schmรถppen's magical line, with strong seasonal lag courtesy of the three Hudson Bay-influenced climates skewing that latitude compared to the lower latitudes where spring is more symmetric around the planet. Sunshine is likely around 1,800-1,850 hours annually judging by the stations that had sunshine recorders (usually cloudy places) while also keeping in mind that Siberia and the Northern Prairies are relatively clear.  Thoughts on it ๐๐ฟMรถrรถn๐๐ฟ , knot , tij , Steelernation , Speagles84 ? About as expected or not and what are your grades like? Also, Ariete and Hiromant who both live on a similar latitude to this, was it colder, milder or about what you would've expected for 58ยฐN? For me it was quite well in-line with my expectations, although I would've probably expected winter to be 1ยฐC colder than it turned out to be before I looked at Western Siberia's stations that were a bit less cold than I'd expected. My grade is an E/E- leaning towards the latter, but at the same time it's better than Lapland courtesy of the sunshine being stronger and the August + autumn record highs being warmer. You could tell that it's a lower-latitude climate than those from that alone and also from it edging close to Umeรฅ for all of May-September. |
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Post by Hiromant on Mar 26, 2019 9:14:09 GMT -5
Looks good to me. I'd make April and May a bit warmer, other than that it's excellent.
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Post by Speagles84 on Mar 26, 2019 9:43:40 GMT -5
Yeah Lommaren it looks good to me. Did you use varied locations accounting for elevations and distances from large bodies of water? |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 26, 2019 10:15:10 GMT -5
Yeah Lommaren it looks good to me. Did you use varied locations accounting for elevations and distances from large bodies of water? I tried to be as varied as possible, with the principle of 13 Eurasian and 7 North American climates for each of the latitudes I've done. Mountain tops should always be avoided at all costs while making these, the whole point is that they should be settlements or habitable islands et cetera. |
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Post by tij on Mar 26, 2019 11:03:39 GMT -5
Hey Lommaren . It's going to get a E from me as well for being way too cold. But the record low is still milder than mpls upon rounding!  Can we do a lower latitude? |
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Post by Ariete on Mar 26, 2019 12:04:03 GMT -5
Some updates to the since 2000 boxes.
First Salo, which is between Turku and Helsinki. as the crow flies 50 km SE from Turku and 100 km NW from Helsinki. Mot interesting point here is that Salo managed to hit -30C in February 2011, one of the few stations in the Finland Proper Province.
Pori has been overlooked by me for some time, but here's its box. It's the 10th largest city in Finland and situated on the west coast at the same latitude as Tampere. As it's not in a sheltered location behind an archipelago, the crummers are a bit cooler than further inland, but OTH the winters are milder. Pori has also one of the most nicest looking City Halls in Finland, seen here.
And finally with 100% legit data, Tampere Hรคrmรคlรค. Interesting here is that April and May temps have risen more than maybe in any other larger city. 81-10 April and May highs were 8.2C and 15.4C and now they are like this:
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 26, 2019 13:57:34 GMT -5
Lommaren itโs colder than I was expecting but I guess Canada/Russia balance it out. Iโd give it an E.
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Post by knot on Mar 26, 2019 15:09:11 GMT -5
58ยฐN in general using the same principle. The 20 chosen climates were: Thurso, Stavanger, Koster Islands, Norrkรถping (my own-made 1991-2018 averages rather than the Wikibox), Tartu, Rybinsk, Kirov, Perm, Tobolsk, Yeniseysk, Ust-Ilimsk, Aldan, Okhotsk, King Salmon, Juneau, Fort Nelson, High Level, Churchill, Inukjuak and Kuujjuaq.
I had to use Okhotsk since there were no coastal settlements with weather stations anywhere on the latitude, but it was only 0.22ยฐN farther north anyway. The annual range stretches from 15.4ยฐC in July to -13.5ยฐC in January.
The end result is this, with the snowfall guesstimated based upon temperature and precipitation using a 1:10 as a baseline, simultaneously keeping in mind that cold equals more cm per mm fallen. This all concludes to a subarctic Dfc climate, 0.65ยฐC below Schmรถppen's magical line, with strong seasonal lag courtesy of the three Hudson Bay-influenced climates skewing that latitude compared to the lower latitudes where spring is more symmetric around the planet. Sunshine is likely around 1,800-1,850 hours annually judging by the stations that had sunshine recorders (usually cloudy places) while also keeping in mind that Siberia and the Northern Prairies are relatively clear. Thoughts on it ๐๐ฟMรถrรถn๐๐ฟ , knot , tij , Steelernation , Speagles84 ? About as expected or not and what are your grades like? Also, Ariete and Hiromant who both live on a similar latitude to this, was it colder, milder or about what you would've expected for 58ยฐN? For me it was quite well in-line with my expectations, although I would've probably expected winter to be 1ยฐC colder than it turned out to be before I looked at Western Siberia's stations that were a bit less cold than I'd expected. My grade is an E/E- leaning towards the latter, but at the same time it's better than Lapland courtesy of the sunshine being stronger and the August + autumn record highs being warmer. You could tell that it's a lower-latitude climate than those from that alone and also from it edging close to Umeรฅ for all of May-September. B; codswallop frigid ice-box cold fucken desert winters, with fair (albeit mediocre) summers. |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 29, 2019 19:51:01 GMT -5
42ยฐN! Thoughts knot , ๐๐ฟMรถrรถn๐๐ฟ , Steelernation and tij in particular? The 20 selected locations (firmly averaging 42ยฐN but some areas in Central Asia were too isolated to find stations on that particular latitude, so had to go slightly south or north): Pontevedra, Pamplona, Dubrovnik, Plovdiv, Kutaisi, Makhachkala, Shymkent, Bishkek, Turpan, Dalanzadgad, Fuxin, Tonghua, Kutchan, Medford, Twin Falls, Casper, Sioux City, Rockford, London (ON) and Boston.  My grade is a C-, mediocre most of the time. Summers are a touch too hot, whereas winters see too much single-digit weather which won't help the snow stay on the ground, in particular on that latitude with the sun strength. Either way, sunshine would most likely be around 2,500 hours. |
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Post by tij on Mar 29, 2019 19:59:42 GMT -5
This one provides a better balance between summer and winter than either 40N, which summers really last too long and are too hot, and 45N where winters are too cold. It would be my optimal latitude I'm guessing. June is pretty okay, but july and august are a bit on the hot side-- maybe a little better than mpls due to the slightly cooler nights-- winters are only a little harsher than providence... Better precip too than either of the 40N and the 45N ones-- and a reasonable snowfall amt that would provide some more interest with the colder winter avgs but not cause excessive difficulties.. It gets a B- from me. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford,_Connecticut#Climate is similar, but wetter... |
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Post by ๐๐ฟMรถrรถn๐๐ฟ on Mar 29, 2019 20:46:53 GMT -5
42ยฐN! Thoughts knot , ๐๐ฟMรถrรถn๐๐ฟ , Steelernation and tij in particular? The 20 selected locations (firmly averaging 42ยฐN but some areas in Central Asia were too isolated to find stations on that particular latitude, so had to go slightly south or north): Pontevedra, Pamplona, Dubrovnik, Plovdiv, Kutaisi, Makhachkala, Shymkent, Bishkek, Turpan, Dalanzadgad, Fuxin, Tonghua, Kutchan, Medford, Twin Falls, Casper, Sioux City, Rockford, London (ON) and Boston. My grade is a C-, mediocre most of the time. Summers are a touch too hot, whereas winters see too much single-digit weather which won't help the snow stay on the ground, in particular on that latitude with the sun strength. Either way, sunshine would most likely be around 2,500 hours. That is a very evenly distributed climate temperature-wise, with 3-4 months of each season. The precipitation is too evenly distributed though. I'll give it a B- rating since it is fairly inoffensive and it gets some regular snowfall and summers are wet enough (barely). |
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Can we do a lower latitude?
