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Post by Lommaren on Oct 15, 2017 8:11:21 GMT -5
Lithuania really has shit climates compares to the other side of the Baltic. Even Finland is a lot warmer for the latitude, even though they're at the same side of the sea. Look at Klaipeda. Located on the larger continental landmass, you'd expect it to be more continental with warmer summers and colder winters compared to Sweden, but no, both winters and summers are cool. It is decently sunny though at 2000h. Sweden doesn't have any coastal sunshine recorders though, so it's hard to compare. Overnight lows are also very warm. Klaipeda is unobstructed completely by the Scandinavian Mountains. Hence, any westerlies have free rein to get there  Even if north-westerlies passed over the Scandinavian Mountains, those would have to take the long trip over the Baltic Sea before they get to Klaipeda. In summer I assume the short nights along with the westerly flow of mild air keep the lows high. I'd expect quite a gloomy feel to it because of all that Gulf Stream influence. That said, Wikipedia averages seem a tad old (1961-1990) so I'll update the Lithuanian ones I find on Météo Climat to 1981-2010 today  |
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Post by Babu on Oct 15, 2017 8:23:48 GMT -5
Actually it was 2002-2016. I still don't really get why coastal Finland has warmer summer highs than Lithuania, and similar winters.
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 15, 2017 8:37:37 GMT -5
Actually it was 2002-2016. I still don't really get why coastal Finland has warmer summer highs than Lithuania, and similar winters. Here's Vilnius 1981-2010 that I just published on Wikipedia Looks very similar to Turku to be honest.  |
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Post by Babu on Oct 15, 2017 8:42:06 GMT -5
Actually it was 2002-2016. I still don't really get why coastal Finland has warmer summer highs than Lithuania, and similar winters. Here's Vilnius 1981-2010 that I just published on Wikipedia Looks very similar to Turku to be honest. Except anemic sunshine |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 15, 2017 8:53:35 GMT -5
Here's Vilnius 1981-2010 that I just published on Wikipedia Looks very similar to Turku to be honest. Except anemic sunshine Yep, probably a touch higher for 1981-2010 but that's where the gloomy Gulf Stream air plays its part, especially inland. I'm a bit surprised it's so dry though given that there are no shields all the way from Holland to get there. |
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Post by Babu on Oct 15, 2017 8:57:25 GMT -5
Yep, probably a touch higher for 1981-2010 but that's where the gloomy Gulf Stream air plays its part, especially inland. I'm a bit surprised it's so dry though given that there are no shields all the way from Holland to get there. 700mm is very average for central and eastern Europe, if not a little highish. |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 15, 2017 9:00:43 GMT -5
700mm is very average for central and eastern Europe, if not a little highish. I know It's just a case of Klaipeda and Liepaja both being so wet, that it grew expectations of a higher precpitation amount in inland areas for me |
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Post by Babu on Oct 15, 2017 9:05:41 GMT -5
700mm is very average for central and eastern Europe, if not a little highish. I know It's just a case of Klaipeda and Liepaja both being so wet, that it grew expectations of a higher precpitation amount in inland areas for me Btw, I can't believe we don't have a single sun recorder anywhere on the entirety of Sweden's very very long east coast. There's Falsterbo and I guess Göteborg (although I don't know how close to the coast it is), and in 2008 we got Karlskrona, but not a single one along the east coast. Absurd. Edit: Luleå's station is actually pretty coastal. |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 15, 2017 9:16:31 GMT -5
Btw, I can't believe we don't have a single sun recorder anywhere on the entirety of Sweden's very very long east coast. There's Falsterbo and I guess Göteborg (although I don't know how close to the coast it is), and in 2008 we got Karlskrona, but not a single one along the east coast. Absurd. I could only imagine what it would be like at Femöre in Oxelösund, but it's certainly higher than here that's for sure  |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 15, 2017 9:23:13 GMT -5
Actually it was 2002-2016. I still don't really get why coastal Finland has warmer summer highs than Lithuania, and similar winters. Lithuania isn't that much south. |
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Post by Babu on Oct 15, 2017 9:27:27 GMT -5
Actually it was 2002-2016. I still don't really get why coastal Finland has warmer summer highs than Lithuania, and similar winters. Lithuania isn't that much south. 4.5 degrees, and they're on the same landmass. It's kind of the same as if Portland, Maine would be warmer in summer and similar in winter to Atlantic City. |
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Post by aabc123 on Oct 15, 2017 9:45:08 GMT -5
Lithuania really has shit climates compares to the other side of the Baltic. Even Finland is a lot warmer for the latitude, even though they're at the same side of the sea. Look at Klaipeda. Located on the larger continental landmass, you'd expect it to be more continental with warmer summers and colder winters compared to Sweden, but no, both winters and summers are cool. It is decently sunny though at 2000h. Sweden doesn't have any coastal sunshine recorders though, so it's hard to compare. Overnight lows are also very warm. July daily mean is 19.0, august daily mean is 18.7 and you are saying these are very sh... compared to Sweden? Where are Jul/Aug the daily means in Sweden warmer? I looked at Stockholm which is probably the Swedish warmest by summer average wise (+ stronger UHI there than it in Klaipeda), of 2000-16 and I got respectively 18.8 and 17.1, calculated by WO. |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 15, 2017 9:46:05 GMT -5
4.5 degrees, and they're on the same landmass. It's kind of the same as if Portland, Maine would be warmer in summer and similar in winter to Atlantic City. Probably has some effect that Southern Finland has the sea both west and south. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 9:53:11 GMT -5
Actually it was 2002-2016. I still don't really get why coastal Finland has warmer summer highs than Lithuania, and similar winters. Here's Vilnius 1981-2010 that I just published on Wikipedia Looks very similar to Turku to be honest. nah. the shoulder seasons in turku are significantly colder. april for example is 3.1C colder in turku. |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 15, 2017 9:54:35 GMT -5
nah. the shoulder seasons in turku are significantly colder. april is 3.1C colder in turku. Was thinking that too, especially spring given how front-loaded it is for some reason. Still, July and January are quite similar |
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Post by Babu on Oct 15, 2017 10:35:06 GMT -5
Lithuania really has shit climates compares to the other side of the Baltic. Even Finland is a lot warmer for the latitude, even though they're at the same side of the sea. Look at Klaipeda. Located on the larger continental landmass, you'd expect it to be more continental with warmer summers and colder winters compared to Sweden, but no, both winters and summers are cool. It is decently sunny though at 2000h. Sweden doesn't have any coastal sunshine recorders though, so it's hard to compare. Overnight lows are also very warm. July daily mean is 19.0, august daily mean is 18.7 and you are saying these are very sh... compared to Sweden? Where are Jul/Aug the daily means in Sweden warmer? I looked at Stockholm which is probably the Swedish warmest by summer average wise (+ stronger UHI there than it in Klaipeda), of 2000-16 and I got respectively 18.8 and 17.1, calculated by WO. Öland gets 19.0 and 18.6 for July and August. In 2002-2016. Besides, I did say the highs were shit, although I admitted the lows were impressive. And Stockholm actually averages 19.5 and 18.3 in 2002-2015. Still, remember, they both get way warmer winters. |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 15, 2017 10:53:10 GMT -5
nah. the shoulder seasons in turku are significantly colder. april for example is 3.1C colder in turku. Nah. I don't see a dramatic difference in Autumn. Vilnius is 0.6C warmer. But you're correct about spring. |
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Post by Babu on Oct 15, 2017 11:04:52 GMT -5
Vilnius is a fair bit warmer in summer than Turku. 23.2 vs 22.3 highs for the 81-10 period. Winters aren't that much warmer though, and sunshine is appauling. Definitely a lot worse for the latitude.
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Post by aabc123 on Oct 15, 2017 12:41:23 GMT -5
July daily mean is 19.0, august daily mean is 18.7 and you are saying these are very sh... compared to Sweden? Where are Jul/Aug the daily means in Sweden warmer? I looked at Stockholm which is probably the Swedish warmest by summer average wise (+ stronger UHI there than it in Klaipeda), of 2000-16 and I got respectively 18.8 and 17.1, calculated by WO. Öland gets 19.0 and 18.6 for July and August. In 2002-2016. Besides, I did say the highs were shit, although I admitted the lows were impressive. And Stockholm actually averages 19.5 and 18.3 in 2002-2015. Still, remember, they both get way warmer winters. Öland- that is an island. Oceanic places get relatively high averages but their real summers are hardly warmer than in more continental places. For instance -look at real inland palces such as Edmonton, Chita etc- you can see their summer averages aren´t that high at all. Stockholm- what is your source. WO says averages are 1c cooler on basis of 99 % data availability. Stockholm is not Rome |
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Post by Babu on Oct 15, 2017 12:47:45 GMT -5
Öland gets 19.0 and 18.6 for July and August. In 2002-2016. Besides, I did say the highs were shit, although I admitted the lows were impressive. And Stockholm actually averages 19.5 and 18.3 in 2002-2015. Still, remember, they both get way warmer winters. Öland- that is an island. Oceanic places get relatively high averages but their real summers are hardly warmer than in more continental places. For instance -look at real inland palces such as Edmonton, Chita etc- you can see their summer averages aren´t that high at all. Stockholm- what is your source. WO says averages are 1c cooler on basis of 99 % data availability. Stockholm is not Rome You're defying yourself. The highs and lows are pretty much the same in Öland, so why would its means be more "falsely high"? And the stats are taken from SMHI's publications. Lommaren compiled it.  (Sun data 1961-1990) |
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Even if north-westerlies passed over the Scandinavian Mountains, those would have to take the long trip over the Baltic Sea before they get to Klaipeda. In summer I assume the short nights along with the westerly flow of mild air keep the lows high.
