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Post by aabc123 on Oct 15, 2017 16:21:01 GMT -5
Then that is of course UHI again. It is not only issue of Stockholm, you could look look for instance at Saint Petersburg and think why is that so noticeably warmer than areas surrounding it.  (And looks like that St Petersburg has untypically the weather station in downtown although afaik the weather stations in ex-ussr countries are normally outside of cities thus they are "cold". Looks like ex-ussr meteorologists were very conservative and not trying to show off their climate warmer then it is, not using only post 2000 averages either). You seem to get too exited on uhi-s and post 2000 averages. I haven't told here "the climate in SE Sweden is a real s*". |
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Post by Babu on Oct 16, 2017 2:05:34 GMT -5
Then that is of course UHI again. It is not only issue of Stockholm, you could look look for instance at Saint Petersburg and think why is that so noticeably warmer than areas surrounding it. (And looks like that St Petersburg has untypically the weather station in downtown although afaik the weather stations in ex-ussr countries are normally outside of cities thus they are "cold". Looks like ex-ussr meteorologists were very conservative and not trying to show off their climate warmer then it is, not using only post 2000 averages either). You seem to get too exited on uhi-s and post 2000 averages. I haven't told here "the climate in SE Sweden is a real s*". You're the one who brought up Stockholm, not me. I only corrected your values, so don't try. And I'd love to be able to compare 1981-2010 and you know it. |
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Post by urania93 on Oct 16, 2017 15:35:41 GMT -5
Ok, I've just updated my home-made climate average for the closest weather station to my home, which is in a town called Susa ( here the position on google maps ). This town is located in an alpine valley just west of Turin, so on the Italian side of western Alps, at an altitude of about 500 m. My village is at less than 5 Km from there, but on the mountains there could be some sensible variations even between close localities because of peculiar orography and changes in altitude and sun exposure, but weather stations are not enough for describing it in details. My village is at a slightly higher altitude (650m), we get less sunlight (in particular during the winter), so my place is generally a little colder than this. I would also say that we get a little bit more of rain than Susa. The difference is mostly evident in snowy days, when Susa gets 5 cm of wet snow and we get 25 cm of fluffy snow instead.  I just want to add a clarification about the record high during the colder half of the year: all those records are related to particularly strong föhn wind phenomena, whose heating effect is particularly strong in Susa (and, at a lesser extent, in the rest of the valley) because of the favourable geography of the near mountains. Föhn wind can go on for a couple of consecutive days, strongly affecting also the values of lows. The other characteristic of my place is that it is relatively dry if compared to the rest of my region, for example it is sensibly drier than Turin. |
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Post by Babu on Oct 16, 2017 15:46:47 GMT -5
Great climate, although Gap's better for the higher sunshine values
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Post by Ariete on Oct 17, 2017 9:48:56 GMT -5
Greate climate except for the crappy winters. And a bit annoying precipitation pattern.
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Post by aabc123 on Oct 18, 2017 14:12:41 GMT -5
Then that is of course UHI again. It is not only issue of Stockholm, you could look look for instance at Saint Petersburg and think why is that so noticeably warmer than areas surrounding it. (And looks like that St Petersburg has untypically the weather station in downtown although afaik the weather stations in ex-ussr countries are normally outside of cities thus they are "cold". Looks like ex-ussr meteorologists were very conservative and not trying to show off their climate warmer then it is, not using only post 2000 averages either). You seem to get too exited on uhi-s and post 2000 averages. I haven't told here "the climate in SE Sweden is a real s*". You're the one who brought up Stockholm, not me. I only corrected your values, so don't try. And I'd love to be able to compare 1981-2010 and you know it. Your argument that western coast of Baltic sea is somewhat more "superior" compared to it's eastern coast just does not hold water. Here is a comparision of last 4 full years what I made using infoclimat.fr, number of above 20c days in Võru vs in Stockholm (Observatoriet- so that one that is the warmest as it is the most uhi-influenced, no airports that are in countryside) Above 20c days: 2013 Stockholm-Observatoriet 87 Võru 101 2014 Stockholm-Observatoriet 80 Võru 85 2015 Stockholm-Observatoriet 61 Võru 70 2016 Stockholm-Observatoriet 87 Võru 94 Võru has got them more, even in years than some of the averages have been lower, for instance 2016: ![]() ![]() oi68.tinypic.com/awqcdi.jpg |
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Post by Babu on Oct 18, 2017 15:47:33 GMT -5
You're the one who brought up Stockholm, not me. I only corrected your values, so don't try. And I'd love to be able to compare 1981-2010 and you know it. Your argument that western coast of Baltic sea is somewhat more "superior" compared to it's eastern coast just does not hold water. Here is a comparision of last 4 full years what I made using infoclimat.fr, number of above 20c days in Võru vs in Stockholm (Observatoriet- so that one that is the warmest as it is the most uhi-influenced, no airports that are in countryside) Above 20c days: 2013 Stockholm-Observatoriet 87 Võru 101 2014 Stockholm-Observatoriet 80 Võru 85 2015 Stockholm-Observatoriet 61 Võru 70 2016 Stockholm-Observatoriet 87 Võru 94 Võru has got them more, even in years than some of the averages have been lower, for instance 2016: ![]() ![]() oi68.tinypic.com/awqcdi.jpg Lol. I'm not arguing. I was talking about Lithuania and Klaipeda, not Estonia or Vöru. The Vöru discussion wasn't about Swedish summers being warmer. It was about Swedish summers being just as good since the increased sunshine makes up for the slightly cooler temperatures. I was literally saying Lithuania's coast was worse for the latitude than the rest of the eastern side of the Baltic, and not just Sweden. |
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Post by Ariete on Nov 2, 2017 14:39:41 GMT -5
I finally maded the 00-16 averages for the 2nd largest urban area in Finland lol:  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 11:41:02 GMT -5
 norways highest weather station. |
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Post by Ariete on Dec 10, 2017 21:29:25 GMT -5
Babu I found the normals of Vasa, which I didn't have before:  Sunshine is unknown, but Valsörarna has 1854 and Seinäjoki SE of Vaasa 1741, so I guess Vaasa has something between those two.
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Post by Babu on Dec 11, 2017 2:34:30 GMT -5
Babu I found the normals of Vasa, which I didn't have before: Sunshine is unknown, but Valsörarna has 1854 and Seinäjoki SE of Vaasa 1741, so I guess Vaasa has something between those two. The finnish wiki actually had a weatherbox already. And what a tiny difference between Seinäjoki and Valassaret wow |
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Post by Ariete on Dec 11, 2017 5:19:56 GMT -5
The finnish wiki actually had a weatherbox already. And what a tiny difference between Seinäjoki and Valassaret wow It did??? Damn, I should check Finnish wiki more often. |
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Post by Steelernation on Dec 17, 2017 12:38:00 GMT -5
Here’s Rochester for this decade (2010-2017).  Warmer, wetter, and less snowy than 2000-2017 which is warmer, wetter and snowier than 1981-2010. |
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Post by Donar on Jan 1, 2018 5:12:23 GMT -5
Only three years left until the new averages will be published. Here are the new averages for Frankfurt Airport without those three missing years:  And the comparsision to 1981-2010 (in °C, mm and hours):  So April and February warmed up the most and October the least, further enhancing the seasonal lead. No noteworthy changes for rainfall and sunshine, except March being drier and sunnier. |
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Post by Nidaros on Jan 1, 2018 5:44:20 GMT -5
So all months have warmed in Frankfurt the last 7 years compared to 1981-90, and it's slightly less precipitation.
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Post by Donar on Jan 1, 2018 6:10:24 GMT -5
So all months have warmed in Frankfurt the last 7 years compared to 1981-90, and it's slightly less precipitation. Yeah, the last 27 years to be exact. The last 7 years alone look like this:  The best comparision would be 1961-1990 to 1991-2020, though. |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Jan 1, 2018 23:48:00 GMT -5
 Differences in Average highs between 2010-17 and 1981-2010 January: +.7F February: -.3F March: +.8F April: +1.6F May: +1.5F June: +.7F July: +2.3F August: +.8F September: +2.1F October: +1.8F November: +.5F December: +1.9F Every month has become warmer this decade, except for February. Biggest warmups are all in the second half of the year; July, September, October, and December. Seems like the already large seasonal lag is expanding even more |
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Post by nei on Jan 2, 2018 0:00:23 GMT -5
February is dragged down by how cold February 2015 is. Surprised how hot Julys have averaged
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Post by Giorbanguly on Jan 2, 2018 0:12:46 GMT -5
February is dragged down by how cold February 2015 is. Surprised how hot Julys have averaged Yup. And December is sorta inflated by that ridiculous 2015 month, otherwise it would be in line with the other winter months. Overall winter is the season that has warmed up the least, entire November-March period in general. While July-October has warmed up the most. Because of the Atlantic Ocean we've had very warm Julys here recently. 2015 July was above average even tho elsewhere in the Northeast and in the Midwest it was well below |
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Post by nei on Jan 2, 2018 0:15:06 GMT -5
February is dragged down by how cold February 2015 is. Surprised how hot Julys have averaged Yup. And December is sorta inflated by that ridiculous 2015 month, otherwise it would be in line with the other winter months. Overall winter is the season that has warmed up the least, entire November-March period in general. While July-October has warmed up the most. Because of the Atlantic Ocean we've had very warm Julys here recently. 2015 July was above average even tho elsewhere in the Northeast and in the Midwest it was well below Global Warming is supposed to make winters warm more than other seasons and nights warm than days; shows lots of other local and random things matter more one place for a short time period. |
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(And looks like that St Petersburg has untypically the weather station in downtown although afaik the weather stations in ex-ussr countries are normally outside of cities thus they are "cold". Looks like ex-ussr meteorologists were very conservative and not trying to show off their climate warmer then it is, not using only post 2000 averages either). You seem to get too exited on uhi-s and post 2000 averages. I haven't told here "the climate in SE Sweden is a real s*". 
