Autumn 2017 Discussion Thread (Northern Hemisphere)

I actually hadn't noticed how cloudy it had been, but wow, you're right there, we're on 73% of average sun and that's about the most %-wise of anybody.

I'd been focussing on the mildness so much I hadn't realised how bad it had been in some parts of the country, 217 mm rain so far in Lerwick, only 35 sun hours in Glasgow, 414 mm rain in Capel Curig?!

There are some unusually big differences between regions, we've had a bit more than our average October rainfall so far but you've had hardly any rain at all:

www.met.reading.ac.uk/~brugge/CURR.html

For "no reason"     This is nonsense to say that first snow should occur in estonia in the end of october, and even  more- if it occurs on 25th the guy says "it was late in this year".
Hist. long time average temperature  in my place for today 27th Oct  is +6/+1c, in Tallinn +6c/+3c , in Nykoping, southern side of Sweden +7c/+3c , in Oymyakon, Yakutia -19°/-27°c, in Fort Yukon, central Alaska -8c/-14c. 
It is not Oymyakon here, it should not snow in these days here, if it snows it is colder than average. 

Sometimes it snows even in Mediterranean countries, lol. It does not mean that it is normal.

I don't think snow with averages of 6/1 or 6/3 would be THAT unusual. Even with a minor cold snap, there'd likely be a few snowflakes. I don't think the chart Hiromant posted up was the first accumulating snow or like the first foot of snow falling, probably the first snowflakes of the season.


For example, Minneapolis at this time of year averages something like 11/1 and snow at this time of year isn't really THAT rare. Matter of fact, they're getting their first snow today.

It is fact that there are average temperatures and other average dates for something. I am not an idiot and not going to be. In my area the first date when zero highs occur is 23th November (averages of that date are 0/-3c)  The permanent snow cover occurs even in SE Estonian uplands (Haanja) and NE uplands (Pandivere) on 1st decade of December. In other parts of estonia it occurs average-wise later. So, not in August, not in September, not in October or whatever.
As for last 12 years- ironically, during the epoch of global warming, there have been pretty many cold Octobers and early first snows. In this very year in my area the temperatures have been below average since 19th Oct.


I don't think snow with averages of 6/1 or 6/3 would be THAT unusual. Even with a minor cold snap, there'd likely be a few snowflakes. I don't think the chart Hiromant posted up was the first accumulating snow or like the first foot of snow falling, probably the first snowflakes of the season.

Exactly, first snowflakes (collected within the area of 46 000 km2) And it is not impossible that they occur. I even did not say it is "that unusual", I said that it was earlier than normal! But he presents that fact as the most normal fact ever (every year!) And even more- he laments that "snow was late in this year". 

You are wrong, I know. Even the occurence of "first" has it's averages.  Encyclopedia of Estonia says "statistically the average first snow occures firstly in north-east of Estonia: 7th November in Narva and in Jõhvi".
That north-east corner of country has the harshest climate. In other parts that statistical average first snow occures later. Thus every snow that occures before than 7th Nov is of course - earlier than normal - even in those Jõhvi and Narva, not talking about in other places.

What does that mean "it should"? Just you are  the judge who decises?    Now, darling, it should not. Your statement is stupid.  The Estonian Encyclopedia has a detailed chart with averages when first snow occurs station by station. The first date is 7th November in north-east estonia, the last first snow  date is 29th November in west. And that's it.



Overall, do not take it that personally but I see you are depressed of living in that far north like you are doing and you are trying now to bash estonia and make it shitter in all possible ways. This "nice" Thermophobia suffering poster from estonia is helping you.  But the facts are facts. And I will go on with facts. If you go on with bashing without facts, I will go on with moderators.
Ps did you notice, Nykoping average temps were nearly same as mine.

 

Hiromant's sourse is for the last 12 years. My sourse is more than 30 years, this is from paper encyclopedia.
Estonian Encyclopedia, chapter Climate: average first snowfall in Estonia: earliest average 7th nov (Narva), latest abverage 29Nov (Sõrve). You can count yourselves what will be the median. It is certainly not 20 October! Nonsense!

It is up to you, to believe the facts or just to bash me. Those were your ones who asked me to join this forum. It was not me who stormed to join this forum. But now I am here and you all have to live with that fact. Is this a serious forum or is it a not serious forum - I don´t know. Estonia is certainly not such a sh..hole as you are trying to show off it.



You seem to take it very personally though whenever the fact that Estonia is colder than Sweden is pointed out.

Yes, because it is false. Yes, of course, I  take slander and taunting (contradicting with facts!) personally. There is no secret that they are adressed against me.
Correct is to say: colder in autumn and in winter, warmer in spring and summer.
(Or probaly :it is not even colder in strict, mathematical sense- where is the geographical middle point of Sweden.
 
Estonia by the way has been the world's northernmost country what:

a. is able to feed it's own population by it's own agriculture.

b. is able even to produce en masse it's agricultural prodacts. 
Thus, in general Estonia's climate is better than Sweden's and any other climate  on similar latitudes.  

The only thing I am saying is that Estonia as a country, as an entity, receives its first snow on average around the 20th of October.
 lol, so far everybody has talked about stations, now for some reason you talk about entity.

And you are wrong:
a.  In general it receives-as I told median between 7Nov and 29Nov.
b. And when does sweden as a country, as an entity receives it? Pay, my kind, dear friend attention that your north is 8 degrees more northern than our north.