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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 10:19:48 GMT -5
It's been quite unstable here. We've hit 28C on five occasions, yet we've also had some highs in the low teens. May and June were both above average, July was average, and August was below average.
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Post by Babu on Oct 4, 2017 11:49:48 GMT -5
We had the lowest record high in probably over a century.
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 4, 2017 12:35:57 GMT -5
Baba, here's the Umeå weatherbox so far this year  Bonkers bad one...  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 12:38:14 GMT -5
Wow, only two months without a freeze  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 13:27:43 GMT -5
Wow, your July was very stable. An average high of 22.5C with a record high of just 25.6C. Similar here last summer, with the highest temperature only 3.9C warmer than the average maximum of the three summer months, at 27.5C for the warmest and 23.6C for the average. |
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Post by Nidaros on Oct 4, 2017 13:38:05 GMT -5
Here are the full year so far for Trondheim Airport - very cold Apr this year, cold summer. Warm Jan and Sep.  A few other places from different regions Here is Drammen in the SE - very cloudy Sep compared to normal  Tromsø in the far north - sunniest Sep on record, but also the coldest May last 20 years  Bergen on the SW coast...maybe I should have choosen Stavanger to get only half the amount of rain, but that would have been less interesting...one of the worst summers they have had in recorded history as it was soo wet and cloudy  Lyngør on the outer seabord of the South coast, very wet Sep (211 %) and also cloudy Sep  |
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Post by Babu on Oct 4, 2017 13:58:51 GMT -5
You certainly had a less unlucky year than us. June was above average, and May's highs were close to average, and September was sublime. |
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Post by Nidaros on Oct 4, 2017 14:43:35 GMT -5
You certainly had a less unlucky year than us. June was above average, and May's highs were close to average, and September was sublime. Are you sure? People in Trondheim have complained a lot about the weather this year. There are mostly two things they have complained about: The very cold spring, delaying plant growth. And the poor summer - although this complaining stopped on July 19th when a much better weather pattern started for us. Then they complained again for the cool August. Sept has been the best month so far, and people here feel that we deserve it after such a poor spring and summer. a) The cold spring: Second coldest April the last 20 years! Only Apr 2012 was slightly colder. Also Apr lacked warm days which we have got used to. May did not help much as it wasn't warm and had some cold nights. b) Summer: June was wet, had many precip days and had some cold nights. July started very bad, after the first two weeks we had 9 precip days and only one day above 20C! After July 19th it turned much better, however July ended up as the third coldest last 13 years. But come August, and people complained again - not strange as this Aug was the coldest the last 10 years and with less sun than average. You have to get back to 2005 to find a colder August, and all the way back to year 2000 to find a month that was noticeably colder (<1C) than this Aug. We have now two really bad Aug months in a row. Apr - Aug has been really poor this year here. So we really deserved a good month in September. |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 4, 2017 15:03:41 GMT -5
Other large urban areas. As catastrophic as here:  Deviations from normal, Tampere, Jan: +2.7 Feb: +2.7 Mar: +3.5 Apr: -1.1 May: -1.2 Jun: -1.0 Jul: -1.3 Aug: -1.0 Sep: +0.5 Oulu, Jan: +3.9 Feb: +2.6 Mar: +1.6 Apr: -1.6 May: -3.2 Jun: -1.6 Jul: -0.9 Aug: -0.1 Sep: +0.4 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 15:12:56 GMT -5
one for vinga lighthouse  and one for the coldest inhabited place in sweden  |
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Post by Babu on Oct 4, 2017 15:53:41 GMT -5
You certainly had a less unlucky year than us. June was above average, and May's highs were close to average, and September was sublime. Are you sure? People in Trondheim have complained a lot about the weather this year. There are mostly two things they have complained about: The very cold spring, delaying plant growth. And the poor summer - although this complaining stopped on July 19th when a much better weather pattern started for us. Then they complained again for the cool August. Sept has been the best month so far, and people here feel that we deserve it after such a poor spring and summer. a) The cold spring: Second coldest April the last 20 years! Only Apr 2012 was slightly colder. Also Apr lacked warm days which we have got used to. May did not help much as it wasn't warm and had some cold nights. b) Summer: June was wet, had many precip days and had some cold nights. July started very bad, after the first two weeks we had 9 precip days and only one day above 20C! After July 19th it turned much better, however July ended up as the third coldest last 13 years. But come August, and people complained again - not strange as this Aug was the coldest the last 10 years and with less sun than average. You have to get back to 2005 to find a colder August, and all the way back to year 2000 to find a month that was noticeably colder (<1C) than this Aug. We have now two really bad Aug months in a row. Apr - Aug has been really poor this year here. So we really deserved a good month in September. Yes, because in those bad months, we had just as large deviations as you, but we also had large deviations in May and June. You're also above average on sunshine and we're below average. And you were handed a sublime September where we had an abysmal one (average means but cold highs and record low sunshine). So for you 3/6 months have been bad, and for us 6/6 months have been bad. You've had a horrible year. I know. Horrible. But me and Ariete had it even more horrible. |
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Post by aabc123 on Oct 4, 2017 16:05:21 GMT -5
In my place it was with above average temperatures but very rainy and cloudier than average.  |
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Post by Nidaros on Oct 4, 2017 16:10:47 GMT -5
Yes Baba, I know you and Ariete have had a bad year, probably even worse than here.
Even so, remember that weather in spring and especially the summer holliday are important to people.
We don't know if we are above or below sunshine as the old stats for here are useless - the sunshine recorder for much of that periode was just north of a hill - only ca 100 m away! I can post pictures of the place. So all we know is that the old sun data is crap (as the last two years have proven), we don't know what the averages without terrain blocking will be.
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Post by boombo on Oct 4, 2017 16:13:28 GMT -5
Will all these Nordic places that have had terrible springs/summers still end up above average for the year though? If yes, it's hard to see when you'll get a whole year average colder than normal ever again!
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Post by Babu on Oct 4, 2017 16:22:39 GMT -5
Our deviations from April to September were: -1.2, -1.5, -0.4, -1.3, -1.1, and -0.1
For me however, highs are much more important
They deviated as follows: -1.9, -1.3, -1.0, -1.9, -1.6, and -1.6.
This is of course compared to 02-16.
Trondheim compared to the same period was -1.6, -0.7, +0.4, -1.4, -1.8, and +1.6 for means and -2.1, -0.2, +0.7, -0.9, -1.6, and +1.6. Your worst months were worse than ours I'll give you that but we were more consistently awful. You did however manage to get above average sunshine. We on the other hand are below average.
Still, it's no cock measuring contest, and we're both losers.
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Post by Ariete on Oct 4, 2017 16:23:33 GMT -5
Yes Baba, I know you and Ariete have had a bad year, probably even worse than here. Even so, remember that weather in spring and especially the summer holliday are important to people. We don't know if we are above or below sunshine as the old stats for here are useless - the sunshine recorder for much of that periode was just north of a hill - only ca 100 m away! I can post pictures of the place. So all we know is that the old sun data is crap (as the last two years have proven), we don't know what the averages without terrain blocking will be. Well hell yes we had worse. Never seen trees burst to leaves so late, least growing degree day sum since 1987, lowest record high since 1962, Apr-July all below average, and September failed to hit 20C. Highs here Apr-Sep: -1.5, -0.5, -1.2, -1.1, -0.3, +0.6 (81-10), -2.3, -0.9, -1.4, -2.9, -1.4, -0.7 (02-16) |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 4, 2017 16:24:55 GMT -5
Will all these Nordic places that have had terrible springs/summers still end up above average for the year though? If yes, it's hard to see when you'll get a whole year average colder than normal ever again! We had the occasional heat waves in spring, so this year will definitely be milder than 1961-1990  Cooler than 2002-2016 though, I'd guess, if not for a sensationally warm Nov and Dec. |
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Post by Babu on Oct 4, 2017 16:30:56 GMT -5
Will all these Nordic places that have had terrible springs/summers still end up above average for the year though? If yes, it's hard to see when you'll get a whole year average colder than normal ever again! We're definitely not dipping below the 1961-1990 average. Perhaps below the 81-10 average. Right now we're about 1.5'C above the 61-90 average for the year, and we're most likely only going to get warmer in November and December. It almost purely depends on winters. Winters + March can easily get 5'C deviations in a month and over 3'C for the season. 2010 was below average even for the 61-90 period because the winter was really cold (a -3'C deviation for the season compared to 61-90 in Umeå, so a 5'C deviation from 02-16 😬😬😬). |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 4, 2017 16:32:56 GMT -5
Will all these Nordic places that have had terrible springs/summers still end up above average for the year though? If yes, it's hard to see when you'll get a whole year average colder than normal ever again! Depends on November-December. But likely, as Jan-Mar was so much above average. We are now running 0.6 over the 81-10 average. Our last below average year was 2010. |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 11, 2017 18:17:26 GMT -5
San Francisco. Obviously the 41C temp must've occurred at the airport or else the Météo Climat max stats would be off pace for a bit  |
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Bonkers bad one...
