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Post by Strewthless on Sept 13, 2020 12:53:39 GMT -5
People from the Baltic states often seem to complain about the Russian populations in their countries.
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Post by Giorbanguly on Sept 13, 2020 12:57:03 GMT -5
Russia did do many bad things in those countries so it’s understandable they wouldn’t be Russia’s greatest fans. Though the bigger problem there is people leaving for greener pastures in Western Europe, and also super low birth rates
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Post by Ariete on Sept 13, 2020 13:35:59 GMT -5
That’s pretty cool as long as they assimilate into the culture
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Post by Doña Jimena on Sept 13, 2020 13:57:58 GMT -5
Well for Latvia standards it’s exotic lol, since your origins are much farther south
Russians in Latvia account for 25% of the population, Belarusians 3.2%, Ukrainians 2.2% of the pop. In one of the major cities, Daugavpils in the east, Russians are over 50% of the population.
I am genetically much more southwestern than average Russian and much more southern than average Latvian. Russians get Finnish DNA in results all the time.  Probably they assimilated a lot of Finno-Ugric people. Ilona is Latvian ( her father is Russian though). See her Ancestry results ( in short, 97% Baltic + 3% Finnish): |
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Post by Ariete on Sept 13, 2020 14:02:49 GMT -5
Probably they assimilated a lot of Finno-Ugric people.
They did. Even the name Moskva is a slavicised form of Finnic 'Mustajoki' (the Black River). Lake Ilmen is 'Ilmajärvi' (the Airy Lake), and Belo Ozero is 'Valkeajärvi' (the White Lake).
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Post by Doña Jimena on Sept 13, 2020 14:03:31 GMT -5
People from the Baltic states often seem to complain about the Russian populations in their countries. That's true, there are problems and tensions especially with older people. Some have never learned the local language and pretend that the USSR still exists. All younger Russians do speak Latvian and the Kremlin propaganda has less influence on them. |
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Post by aabc123 on Sept 13, 2020 16:04:15 GMT -5
While Estonians have some drift towards Finns (especially in the southern half of Finland),
There are a few things to consider here. The first is that the DNA of Estonians themselves varies quite strongly from north to south throughout the country especially considering the small size of the country and those Estonians who have a greater DNA similarity with Finns live in the northern part of Estonia. Another thing that is good to know is that there have been quite intense Finnish colonization in the northern parts of Estonia in past centuries but over time Finns who once settled in northern Estonia have taken over the Estonian language and ethnic identity. So I want to say that the Estonians in many parts of northern Estonia are actually partly fake-Estonians in some sense because they are actually Finns (especially in West-Viru county). Thus, if the aforementioned Finnish colonization in northern Estonia had not taken place the DNA similarity of Estonians to Finns would have been even smaller and to Balts even greater. |
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Post by Ariete on Sept 13, 2020 16:12:40 GMT -5
There are a few things to consider here. The first is that the DNA of Estonians themselves varies quite strongly from north to south throughout the country especially considering the small size of the country and those Estonians who have a greater DNA similarity with Finns live in the northern part of Estonia. Another thing that is good to know is that there have been quite intense Finnish colonization in the northern parts of Estonia in past centuries but over time Finns who once settled in northern Estonia have taken over the Estonian language and ethnic identity. So I want to say that the Estonians in many parts of northern Estonia are actually partly fake-Estonians in some sense because they are actually Finns (especially in West-Viru county). Thus, if the aforementioned Finnish colonization in northern Estonia had not taken place the DNA similarity of Estonians to Finns would have been even smaller and to Balts even greater.
Finns have also a big genetic variation between east and west (left map), roughly following the 1323 Treaty of Nöteborg border (centre map), and the prehistoric old settlement areas, and the "new" medieval settlement area (right map). The people who colonised Ingria and parts of Swedish Estonia were mostly from the blue dot hotspot (Savonian expansion).
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Post by Ariete on Sept 13, 2020 16:52:58 GMT -5
The treaty of Nöteborg 1323 and the average health-base cost per person in 2017. Bonus the probability of white christmas:
The most healthy and unhealthy municipalities in Finland:
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Post by trolik on Sept 13, 2020 18:27:17 GMT -5
heres my (((dna test)))  |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Sept 13, 2020 20:55:34 GMT -5
Interesting trolik, you’re not far away from Geba
Now more than ever curious about my own results
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Post by Doña Jimena on Sept 13, 2020 23:10:25 GMT -5
Interesting trolik, you’re not far away from Geba Not far? Nothing is the same, not a single component.  |
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Post by Doña Jimena on Sept 13, 2020 23:14:35 GMT -5
While Estonians have some drift towards Finns (especially in the southern half of Finland),
There are a few things to consider here. The first is that the DNA of Estonians themselves varies quite strongly from north to south throughout the country especially considering the small size of the country and those Estonians who have a greater DNA similarity with Finns live in the northern part of Estonia. I have found only one Estonian results on Youtube. Maybe this Estonian is an outlier, untypical, but his results look so extremely different from Latvians who are just 97-100% Baltic in MyHeritage. |
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Post by aabc123 on Sept 14, 2020 0:52:40 GMT -5
There are a few things to consider here. The first is that the DNA of Estonians themselves varies quite strongly from north to south throughout the country especially considering the small size of the country and those Estonians who have a greater DNA similarity with Finns live in the northern part of Estonia. I have found only one Estonian results on Youtube. Maybe this Estonian is an outlier, untypical, but his results look so extremely different from Latvians who are just 97-100% Baltic in MyHeritage. And the fact that he had uploaded it to Youtube speaks for itself. If he had had a result that would have pointed to stronger ties with Balts and Eastern Europe, he would not have simply uploaded it to Youtube. I have visited some anthroforums as well and I know that one of the makers of Estonian 'nordic' propaganda was very very enthusiastic about this DNA stuff... Maybe it's himself, why not knowing how massively that 'nordic' propaganda flooded the entire internet. You cannot draw conclusions about the whole nation from one person. |
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Post by aabc123 on Sept 14, 2020 1:24:00 GMT -5
People from the Baltic states often seem to complain about the Russian populations in their countries. A true hardcore Estonian nationalist always thinks that every Russian living here is always a local 'fifth column' in his heart and always dreams of restoring the USSR as soon as possible. |
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Post by Doña Jimena on Sept 14, 2020 1:29:34 GMT -5
And the fact that he had uploaded it to Youtube speaks for itself. If he had had a result that would have pointed to stronger ties with Balts and Eastern Europe, he would not have simply uploaded it to Youtube. I have visited some anthroforums as well and I know that one of the makers of Estonian 'nordic' propaganda was very very enthusiastic about this DNA stuff... Maybe it's himself, why not knowing how massively that 'nordic' propaganda flooded the entire internet. You cannot draw conclusions about the whole nation from one person. But that's the only person from Estonia I can find. And now compare to Latvians: www.myheritage.com/eurovision/blog/latvias-band-carousel-discovers-their-roots I don't know how differences can be so extreme. |
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Post by tij on Sept 14, 2020 3:12:36 GMT -5
Sent my DNA to 23andMe and got ~98% South Asian (they were able to identify most of it as specifically from the Punjab/Delhi area [NW India] where my folks are from which is neat, but with ~3% also from Southern India), 1% West Asian, along with traces of NW European and Finnish (?)... had a trace of Japanese as well in an older trial but seems like it got removed in the update... as far as I know my ancestry is entirely NW Indian. Results for Latin American/Caribbean people or people from other areas with more ethnic mixing are probably more fascinating.
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Post by aabc123 on Sept 14, 2020 3:12:40 GMT -5
And the fact that he had uploaded it to Youtube speaks for itself. If he had had a result that would have pointed to stronger ties with Balts and Eastern Europe, he would not have simply uploaded it to Youtube. I have visited some anthroforums as well and I know that one of the makers of Estonian 'nordic' propaganda was very very enthusiastic about this DNA stuff... Maybe it's himself, why not knowing how massively that 'nordic' propaganda flooded the entire internet. You cannot draw conclusions about the whole nation from one person. But that's the only person from Estonia I can find. And now compare to Latvians: www.myheritage.com/eurovision/blog/latvias-band-carousel-discovers-their-roots I don't know how differences can be so extreme. As I already said, you can't draw conclusions about a whole nation based on a single person. |
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Post by trolik on Sept 14, 2020 4:52:38 GMT -5
Interesting trolik, you’re not far away from Geba Not far? Nothing is the same, not a single component. LOL both eastern european tho |
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Post by flamingGalah on Sept 14, 2020 17:46:12 GMT -5
I did a test last year as got one for my birthday, bulk of my DNA is England & NW Europe & it even managed to narrow me down to Central Southern England (I'm from Portsmouth). Rest of that region isn't surprising either as my paternal grandfather was born in France, his mother was French & his father was Belgian. Next biggest percentage is Scottish, followed by Norwegian/Swedish (which was surprising as have no known connections there), then some Irish, a little Welsh & some Germanic Europe.
I started doing my family tree last year & managed to trace my ancestry right back through French aristocracy, via my paternal great grandmother, all the way back to the Franks & beyond. Well they say that most Europeans are descendants of Charlemagne & he was my 40 x great grandfather.
I wasn't aware of any Scottish family connections either, but I found that I am related to the Wallace Clan of Renfrewshire, as a William Wallace was my 15 x great grandfather. Obviously not THE William Wallace, but must be related to him in some way.
It's really interesting when you start looking into your history & when you do a DNA test you get matches with people you are distantly related to which is quite bizarre but fun.
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Probably they assimilated a lot of Finno-Ugric people.
