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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2020 14:29:39 GMT -5
Personally, I think that genes do reveal something. You can change your surname, change your language, change your nationality, but you cannot change your genes. There have also been migrations and based on scientific research the haplogroup N has arrived in Finland and Baltics from North East (you can trace the migration path by mutations which have accumulated with time, as you have said not all N are the same, for example), that's it. You cannot prove exactly what language they spoke, but there is a certain correlation with the situation nowadays. I don't like the idea of languages spreading with violence. Finns aren't 100% N, just approx. 60%. Not all were killed? j/k  And of course this is a very patriarchal view that languages are spread by men and women have nothing to say. My mt-DNA is H: www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml
Scholars these days agree that the arrival of the proto-Finnish language can only come with rather late migration, and likely at least partially violent. I don't think anyone meant anything patriarchal with the statement, but that men died in combat much more than women, leading to more N-haplotypes than the other main haplotype I1. Similarly, in Ireland the Scandinavian genes are almost completely Y-DNA, while females were 50% of the population. Therefore; viking men married Irish females. BTW, the Finnish I1 is also a bit different from Swedish and Norwegian I1s, suggesting some kind of rather early separation.
Interesting that you are ethnically (half?) Ukrainian, but your haplotype is the in Ukrainian minority. I'm either N or I1, there's really no other possibilities. But I'm not gonna pay €150 to know that. |
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Post by Doña Jimena on Sept 24, 2020 15:18:15 GMT -5
Scholars these days agree that the arrival of the proto-Finnish language can only come with rather late migration, and likely at least partially violent. I don't think anyone meant anything patriarchal with the statement, but that men died in combat much more than women, leading to more N-haplotypes than the other main haplotype I1. Similarly, in Ireland the Scandinavian genes are almost completely Y-DNA, while females were 50% of the population. Therefore; viking men married Irish females. BTW, the Finnish I1 is also a bit different from Swedish and Norwegian I1s, suggesting some kind of rather early separation.
Interesting that you are ethnically (half?) Ukrainian, but your haplotype is the in Ukrainian minority. I'm either N or I1, there's really no other possibilities. But I'm not gonna pay €150 to know that. H is relatively low in Ukraine compared to other European countries, but it is still the most common mt DNA: www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_haplogroups_frequency.shtmlThe same as in Finland. Basically, H are Neolithic farmers... U is older, coming from Mesolithic hunter gatherers. |
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2020 15:27:50 GMT -5
Ok. Seems the 2nd most common both in Finland and Ukraine is U. The 3rd most common in Finland is W, which is common mostly only in Hungarians and... Catalans? 
Now get back to the kitchen and bring me a sandwich and let the patriarchy talk about genes.  |
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Post by Doña Jimena on Sept 25, 2020 11:07:30 GMT -5
Now get back to the kitchen and bring me a sandwich and let the patriarchy talk about genes. I can buy you a sandwich in supermarket. |
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Post by Ariete on Sept 25, 2020 12:22:10 GMT -5
I can buy you a sandwich in supermarket.
I guess that's better than nothing...
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Post by trolik on Sept 27, 2020 12:31:32 GMT -5
heres my (((dna test)))  Amazing , 96% of my DNA is european Jewish as well ( not)! Clearly you are from the Middle East and we are cousins ( not). "Ashkenazi Jews share more common paternal lineages with other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than with non-Jewish populations in areas where Jews lived in Eastern Europe, Germany and the French Rhine Valley. This is consistent with Jewish traditions in placing most Jewish paternal origins in the region of the Middle East." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews |
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Post by mariejoseph on Jan 3, 2021 21:12:30 GMT -5
Mine is not super exciting:  80%+ of my ancestry is from the UK which I expected. |
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Post by Strewthless on Jan 3, 2021 21:36:08 GMT -5
Mine is not super exciting: 80%+ of my ancestry is from the UK which I expected. You're 9% Welsh, which is like winning the lottery. I now declare one of the chosen people. |
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Post by nei on Jan 4, 2021 10:33:55 GMT -5
This one isn't mine, my mother did this test. I'd expect similar results since both my parents are Croatian. interesting northeast Italy gets grouped with Croatia. Would thought Croatia belongs with the Balkans |
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Post by nei on Jan 4, 2021 10:38:59 GMT -5
Mine is not super exciting: the mix of different British/Irish ancestries + some continental European must be not the usual in the UK while very common in the US. also impressed at the number of people here willing to pay $100 for an ancestry test. also surprised the different British ancestries are distinguishable by DNA test, or even British vs northern German. |
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Post by jgtheone on Jan 4, 2021 21:52:41 GMT -5
This one isn't mine, my mother did this test. I'd expect similar results since both my parents are Croatian. interesting northeast Italy gets grouped with Croatia. Would thought Croatia belongs with the Balkans Maybe it's a specific haplogroup, idk. I thought it was interesting too, we hypothesised that it's probably why we love Italian food so much lol Also why do people refer to British/Irish ancestry as boring or not interesting? |
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Post by Doña Jimena on Jan 5, 2021 5:39:41 GMT -5
also impressed at the number of people here willing to pay $100 for an ancestry test. also surprised the different British ancestries are distinguishable by DNA test, or even British vs northern German. Those tests used to cost thousands. And 100$ is really not much, if I can pay it being in Eastern Europe. The test gives you a list of your DNA relatives as well which is more valuable than ethnicity estimates. |
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Post by Doña Jimena on Jan 5, 2021 5:43:23 GMT -5
Maybe it's a specific haplogroup, idk. I thought it was interesting too, we hypothesised that it's probably why we love Italian food so much lol Also why do people refer to British/Irish ancestry as boring or not interesting? No, it is not a haplogroup, this test is based on autosomal data. And this specific group is about Slavic populations in NE Italy, there have been migrations from Balkans to NE Italy. That's what I've heard in the Anthrogenica forum at least. You can also click on the group description for additional information. Regarding British/Irish, of course practically everybody from US, Australia, Canada who is longer than a couple of generations there must be British/Irish. Otherwise, you would not speak English.  |
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Post by Speagles84 on Jan 5, 2021 9:22:57 GMT -5
I've never taken one of these tests and never plan to. But 2/4 of my grandparents (dad's side) were born in Italy, and 2 of my great grandparents (mom's side) were born in Ireland. So I'm pretty confident I'm at least roughly 50% Italian and 25% Irish. The remaining ancestry is to be from Germany and Italy.
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Post by urania93 on Jan 5, 2021 9:54:05 GMT -5
This one isn't mine, my mother did this test. I'd expect similar results since both my parents are Croatian. interesting northeast Italy gets grouped with Croatia. Would thought Croatia belongs with the Balkans Historically it can make some sense... For example, some parts of the Balkans coasts have been controlled by the Republic of Venice at some point [1], while later on most of the NE of contemporary Italy was (more or less directly) controlled by the Austria-Hungary empire, which was also controlling a quite large part of the Balkans at that time [2] [3]. The unification of Italy itself is quite recent, but the annexion of the east-most areas happened just after WWI and part of those territories were lost again after WWII. Also the "border" between the various ethnicities in there is not as net as the official national borders, resulting in some quite complex situations ( [4] [5] etc...) With such a background, to me it definitively makes sense to see a sort of "genetic continuum" connecting the two places. |
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Post by grega94 on Jan 13, 2021 0:30:35 GMT -5
I haven't taken the test but my brother and my parents, as well as a few other relatives have taken the test through 23&Me, here are some of those results. Also something else to keep in mind is that their tests have been updated a few times already. For instance in the very beginning Greece showed up in my Mom's results with the Peloponnese showing up, however now there isn't even any southern European or Balkan results, so here are the most up to date ones as of yet.
Brother
Eastern European: 99.7%
- Russia: Highly Likely Match
- Ukraine: Highly Likely Match
- Poland: Possible Match
Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.3%
Paternal Haplogroup: I-Y3118
Maternal Haplogroup: I-1a1
Mother
Eastern European: 98.5%
- Russia: Highly Likely Match
- Ukraine: Likely Match
- Poland: Possible Match
Ashkenazi Jewish: 0.6%
Manchurian & Mongolian: 0.5%
Finnish: 0.4%
Paternal Haplogroup: R-Y2910
Maternal Haplogroup: I1a1
Father
Eastern European: 99.7%
- Ukraine: Highly Likely Match
- Russia: Likely Match
- Poland: Likely Match
Peninsular Arab: 0.3%
Paternal Haplogroup: I-CTS5966
Maternal Haplogroup: H15a1
Based on the results, no surprise with the Russian and Ukrainian results. The Manchurian/Mongolian ancestry on my mom's side is interesting, as it's not even showing up as Siberian as one might expect, but I have no idea how that got there besides the Mongol invasion, but 23&Me can only detect ancestry to about 8 or so generations ago, and the 1200s is significantly further back, If I had to make a guess my mom's maternal side comes from Volgograd Oblast which is not that far away from Kalmykia and considering they migrated to southern Russia in 1607 with the Kalmyk Khanate being annexed by Russia in 1771 which lines up with the timeline. On the other hand I have no idea how the Arab ancestry got into my dad, especially since all previous results showed him as being 100% European so I think that's just a fluke.
One thing that puzzles me is how my brother and father have different paternal haplogroups? And yes the results show they are father and son.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on May 31, 2021 0:01:02 GMT -5
I've not taken a DNA test, but I have a pretty good idea of how my results would turn out. My dad has taken one, but not my mom. My dad (who is Chilean) had results that came back 76% European (63% Iberian, the rest Italian, Greek, and "Broadly Southern European"), 14% Native American, and 10% Sephardic Jewish. While I didn't know of this, I'm not surprised as it has been suspected that many millions of Latinos have significant Jewish ancestry from Spanish conversos who migrated to the New World. My grandma's surname (Pereira) is actually fairly common as a Sephardic name. The Native American portion is to be expected due to past intermixing with indigenous populations. My mom is Ashkenazi Jewish, her family from the Caucasus region in Southern Russia, maybe I could have some Turkic or Eastern European ancestry from that as well, common in that region, although in small percentages as Jews generally married other Jews.
Based on what I know I'd estimate my results to be as follows: - 50% Jewish (45% Ashkenazi, 5% Sephardic) - 43% European (Vast majority Iberian, but with some Italian/Greek as well as Russian/Turkish) - 7% Native American
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Post by Doña Jimena on May 31, 2021 1:53:41 GMT -5
Have you tested? I guess I am Eastern European, not Nordic.   Pretty similar with just those 3 groups showing up, except balkans was high 30s. Are your ancestors from Balkans ? |
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Post by Giorbanguly on May 31, 2021 3:18:57 GMT -5
I've not taken a DNA test, but I have a pretty good idea of how my results would turn out. My dad has taken one, but not my mom. My dad (who is Chilean) had results that came back 76% European (63% Iberian, the rest Italian, Greek, and "Broadly Southern European"), 14% Native American, and 10% Sephardic Jewish. While I didn't know of this, I'm not surprised as it has been suspected that many millions of Latinos have significant Jewish ancestry from Spanish conversos who migrated to the New World. My grandma's surname (Pereira) is actually fairly common as a Sephardic name. The Native American portion is to be expected due to past intermixing with indigenous populations. My mom is Ashkenazi Jewish, her family from the Caucasus region in Southern Russia, maybe I could have some Turkic or Eastern European ancestry from that as well, common in that region, although in small percentages as Jews generally married other Jews.
Based on what I know I'd estimate my results to be as follows: - 50% Jewish (45% Ashkenazi, 5% Sephardic) - 45% European (32% Iberian, 6% Russian, 5% Italian, 2% Greek) - 5% Turkic Yup, Pereira is a sephardic name. Prado and Clemente too. Shapiro is a famous sephardic name as well Want to do the test too, wonder what my Jewish percentage will be |
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Post by jetshnl on May 31, 2021 8:36:57 GMT -5
Pretty similar with just those 3 groups showing up, except balkans was high 30s. Are your ancestors from Balkans ? didn’t know specifically where they were from, Test showed: Eastern Europe 50% Balkan 37% Baltic 13% |
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And of course this is a very patriarchal view that languages are spread by men and women have nothing to say. 
