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Post by southathens on Jan 14, 2023 21:27:27 GMT -5
Antalya, which is located right on the Turkish coast, has a similar geographical setting to Lindos, and highs also average 95F (35C) in peak summer. Not sure if I consider Anatolia to be Europe however, but this definitely competes with Lindos, and it's over a regular 30-year PoR as well. The lows are not that impressive though.
Yep, you said it the geographical setting is similar plus the Etesian winds do stretch all the way to Turkey. Yep, Antalya is not geographical Europe but the wider area seems to be affected by the same mechanisms
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Post by southathens on Jan 14, 2023 21:55:32 GMT -5
And just to highlight the differences between windward and leeward sides in Rhodes Check out the data of the Port of Rhodes from the Davis fan aspirated station of the Greek Coast Guard. Ok only 4 years of data but you can see the crazy differences www.meteocam.gr/rhodes/
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Post by southathens on Jan 15, 2023 2:46:05 GMT -5
I found also the normals between 2014 and 2022 for Lindos (unfortunately the data between 2010 and 2014 are not public since the station was on test mode by the National Observatory of Athens) and the highest average max has slightly elevated to 35.3C in July. That must be as high as any area in Europe can go right on the coast. I will be amazed if we find anything higher than that anywhere in coastal Europe (and if we do, it will probably be somewhere in Greece). Here is also the only other coastal station in Greece with 35C+ avg maxes. It's the island of Salamina located in metropolitan Athens. Out of 440+ stations from the National Observatory of Athens these are the only two coastal stations I can find with over 35C avg maxes. Granted the Salamina data below is only for 7 years but the area is well known for the extreme fohn winds it gets during the summer.
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Post by southathens on Jan 15, 2023 3:17:54 GMT -5
More on European comparisons Below a rather interesting find since I compared similar Davis fan aspirated stations for the same period (2014-2022). It appears that Lindos actually challenges in summer maxes even Seville in the interior of Andalusia! I purposely chose the hottest Davis fan aspirated station I could find in Seville which is a rooftop one in downtown Seville (UHI and all since Seville is a pretty big city). Of course Cordoba is traditionally hotter than Seville and has the highest summer maxes in Europe but I can't find any fan aspirated station for Cordoba. In any case take a look at July...only 0.1C between them. In fact if we exclude July 2022 when Seville smashed its all time July average max record with 38.7C, Lindos would actually lead by 0.3C for the period 2014-2021! It's surprising that a coastal area in Europe can even challenge the areas with the highest summer average maxes on the continent. Seville is 70 km inland versus Lindos right on the coast (150-200 meters from the coast). www.tiempoensevilla.es/wxnoaaclimatereports.php[deleted erroneous weatherbox see next post for correct values]
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Post by southathens on Jan 15, 2023 14:45:41 GMT -5
Ooops! It seems I overestimated Seville's values a bit! Here the correct figures! Even closer between Lindos and Seville JJA Average maximum temperatures for both stations
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Post by Ariete on Jan 15, 2023 16:50:01 GMT -5
Altea never maded frost.
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Post by southathens on Jan 15, 2023 17:11:59 GMT -5
Yes, we have a few areas in Greece that have never recorded air frost in their entire meteorological history. Most notably Fri (the capital of Kasos island), the Port of Rhodes and Kastelorizo island. These are the areas in Greece that have never recorded air frost and also the only areas in the country where we do not have a reliable sighting of snow. It has never been recorded in these places. I am not sure about Lindos though
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Post by Ariete on Jan 15, 2023 17:20:20 GMT -5
Yes, we have a few areas in Greece that have never recorded air frost in their entire meteorological history. Most notably Fri (the capital of Kasos island), the Port of Rhodes and Kastelorizo island. These are the areas in Greece that have never recorded air frost and also the only areas in the country where we do not have a reliable sighting of snow. It has never been recorded in these places. I am not sure about Lindos though
Frost is good. It kills all the pests.
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Post by southathens on Jan 15, 2023 17:23:45 GMT -5
Yes, we have a few areas in Greece that have never recorded air frost in their entire meteorological history. Most notably Fri (the capital of Kasos island), the Port of Rhodes and Kastelorizo island. These are the areas in Greece that have never recorded air frost and also the only areas in the country where we do not have a reliable sighting of snow. It has never been recorded in these places. I am not sure about Lindos though
Frost is good. It kills all the pests.
Nah, its crap. I don't like cold
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Post by Ariete on Jan 20, 2023 16:37:11 GMT -5
He said his piece. Doubt we will see him ever again.
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Post by southathens on Jan 20, 2023 19:23:38 GMT -5
He said his piece. Doubt we will see him ever again. I am city-data forum member from 2009. Back to Lindos. A pretty mild January so far. In whole of Greece tbh
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Post by flamingGalah on Jan 20, 2023 19:25:08 GMT -5
Did move to Greece?
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Post by Cheeseman on Jan 21, 2023 22:12:54 GMT -5
He said his piece. Doubt we will see him ever again. I am city-data forum member from 2009. Back to Lindos. A pretty mild January so far. In whole of Greece tbh What was your username on CD? Only CD Weather forum member I can think of from Greece was 'Alkis' - but then again, I haven't been on that site in a while myself.
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Post by greysrigging on Jan 22, 2023 1:07:13 GMT -5
"Muh Stevenson Screen"....
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Post by tommyFL on Jan 22, 2023 1:19:41 GMT -5
Well he's right, not that the sensor or shield is bad. It's just the location of the station is a joke.
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Post by southathens on Jan 22, 2023 4:46:49 GMT -5
Well he's right, not that the sensor or shield is bad. It's just the location of the station is a joke. Actually no! If you bothered to read the paper from the National Observatory of Athens you would see they take extra care on how they mount stations on urban environments plus the fact that NOA is the best weather agency in Greece even surpassing our national Met office! Basically the way the station is placed on the roof is a guarantee that thermal inversions would not create any biases in minimum Ts. Take also into account that the station is outside Lindos proper on the foothill overseeing the parking area and is the only building in the wider area. Let alone the fact that thermal inversions are almost non existent in Greece's south coasts. Basically, the fact that we are talking about a Davis fan aspirated station, coupled with the excellent mounting of the station and the impeccable maintenance by NOA team make the station a golden standard on urban environments. You wont find anything better internationally. I have been an avid weather enthusiast for many years and I can say that there is no weather agency in the world that pays so much attention to detail on a Davis network. Actually there is no Davis network as far as I am aware by any weather agency. Most agencies who have urban stations use crap passive automatic stations. Ok, I get it you are not Greek so you have no idea how well respected NOA is in Greece. They take EXTRA care on how their stations are maintained. They provide excellent quality control and meta analysis of their station data nearly on real time! They pick up the slightest biases almost immediately and correct them on the spot. Often by publishing separate announcements on that very day (also on social media). The NOA team is a very dedicated team of excellent scientists. I bet that if you place a Stevenson Screen next to Lindos NOA station the data would provide us be even higher Ts! We have seen that empirically when we compared multiple Stevenson Screen stations in Greece from our national Met office (HNMS) with the Davis stations of NOA. So yeah, the best of the best!
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Post by southathens on Jan 22, 2023 4:54:40 GMT -5
Btw, a close second after Lindos is Kastellorizo island! Again in the Dodecanese
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Post by southathens on Jan 22, 2023 4:56:25 GMT -5
"Muh Stevenson Screen".... That's a pathetic racist message. Who ever wrote that is stuck in Greece's bailout era when Greece was on the international spotlight. Basically, stupid generalizations of a clueless bitch
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Post by greysrigging on Jan 22, 2023 5:05:31 GMT -5
"Muh Stevenson Screen".... That's a pathetic racist message. Who ever wrote that is stuck in Greece's bailout era when Greece was on the international spotlight. Basically, stupid generalizations of a clueless bitch Of course the best way to refute such postings is to use data from a WMO certified National Weather Service... from whatever country of origin... put 'em up as a comparison and shut up the doubters as to the veracity of the figures....... pretty simple, yeah ?
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Post by Strewthless on Jan 22, 2023 5:19:30 GMT -5
Did move to Greece? It's his Greek cousin.
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