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Post by desiccatedi85 on Jan 24, 2023 0:37:24 GMT -5
At first I was unconvinced, but now I can't deny the legendary heat in this region after reading this account. Thank you, Mrs. Climatologist Goedy77. 50 C! Incredible.  Foolish of you to presume that the temperature of 50 as cited by Mr Greek gentleman was in Celsius. It was probably 50F. That would feel VERY hot to this lady from Scotland. 10C is considered a heatwave in the UK, and 5C is considered an arctic blast.  |
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Post by Marcelo on Jan 24, 2023 6:32:41 GMT -5
So here is the most relevant comparison in order again to highlight how extremely reliable and without any biases the NOA rooftop station in Lindos is. Below is a comparison from the windward side of Rhodes between the WMO AP station in Rhodes city vs the nearby NOA rooftop station in Rhodes city.The WMO station is at 7 meters elevation situated in Rhodes airport while the nearby rooftop Rhodes city NOA station is situated at 95 meters elevation. You can verify the numbers yourself from the climate bulletins of our national Met office (HNMS) and NOA climate bulletins. I did a 5 year comparison and focused on summer minimums since the maxes are not an issue due to the fan aspiration! Here the NOA bulletins www.meteo.gr/Monthly_Bulletins.cfmUnfortunately, these are in Greek but its pretty easy to infer. If you need assistance with translation give me a shout! You should look for the ''Ρόδος'' station or ''Ρόδος πόλη'' if you are using meteo search (the rooftop NOA station i am using to compare with the WMO station). Here the HNMS bulletins in English! www.emy.gr/emy/en/climatology/climatology?So as you can see the rooftop NOA station is around 0.8C cooler during the summer nights compared to the WMO one in Rhodes! Like I said before I am pretty sure that a WMO station if placed next to the Lindos NOA station on the grass at 2m will be even warmer than Lindos NOA station!!! 
You are comparing two stations 10 km apart located in a geographically complex area. You need them to be very close in a homogeneous environment to see the differences – overheated surface making it warmer overall, smaller daily range, etc., in rooftop stations.
(I can’t/I don’t know how to access the data from meteo.gr)
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Post by southathens on Jan 24, 2023 6:36:14 GMT -5
So here is the most relevant comparison in order again to highlight how extremely reliable and without any biases the NOA rooftop station in Lindos is. Below is a comparison from the windward side of Rhodes between the WMO AP station in Rhodes city vs the nearby NOA rooftop station in Rhodes city.The WMO station is at 7 meters elevation situated in Rhodes airport while the nearby rooftop Rhodes city NOA station is situated at 95 meters elevation. You can verify the numbers yourself from the climate bulletins of our national Met office (HNMS) and NOA climate bulletins. I did a 5 year comparison and focused on summer minimums since the maxes are not an issue due to the fan aspiration! Here the NOA bulletins www.meteo.gr/Monthly_Bulletins.cfmUnfortunately, these are in Greek but its pretty easy to infer. If you need assistance with translation give me a shout! You should look for the ''Ρόδος'' station or ''Ρόδος πόλη'' if you are using meteo search (the rooftop NOA station i am using to compare with the WMO station). Here the HNMS bulletins in English! www.emy.gr/emy/en/climatology/climatology?So as you can see the rooftop NOA station is around 0.8C cooler during the summer nights compared to the WMO one in Rhodes! Like I said before I am pretty sure that a WMO station if placed next to the Lindos NOA station on the grass at 2m will be even warmer than Lindos NOA station!!!
You are comparing two stations 10 km apart located in a geographically complex area. You need them to be very close in a homogeneous environment to see the differences – overheated surface making it warmer overall, smaller daily range, etc., in rooftop stations.
(I can’t/I don’t know how to access the data from meteo.gr)
Unfortunately thats the closest Rhodes rooftop NOA station we have to the Rhodes WMO station in the AP. But check the comparison in downtown Athens a few posts before! 700 meters apart Btw you need to sign up to get historic data from meteo gr but I gave a better alternative which is the monthly bulletins that are available to all without registration! |
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Post by southathens on Jan 24, 2023 6:41:19 GMT -5
At first I was unconvinced, but now I can't deny the legendary heat in this region after reading this account. Thank you, Mrs. Climatologist Goedy77. 50 C! Incredible. Come on guys! I jokingly posted the threads. Just for you guys to get a feel of how tourists react to the heat in Lindos. I told you anecdotally we knew well before the official station in Lindos that the area is a crazy hot spot There hasnt been a person who has been in Lindos during the summer and does not freak out with the heat. |
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Post by southathens on Jan 28, 2023 4:16:14 GMT -5
So here is the most relevant comparison in order again to highlight how extremely reliable and without any biases the NOA rooftop station in Lindos is. Below is a comparison from the windward side of Rhodes between the WMO AP station in Rhodes city vs the nearby NOA rooftop station in Rhodes city.The WMO station is at 7 meters elevation situated in Rhodes airport while the nearby rooftop Rhodes city NOA station is situated at 95 meters elevation. You can verify the numbers yourself from the climate bulletins of our national Met office (HNMS) and NOA climate bulletins. I did a 5 year comparison and focused on summer minimums since the maxes are not an issue due to the fan aspiration! Here the NOA bulletins www.meteo.gr/Monthly_Bulletins.cfmUnfortunately, these are in Greek but its pretty easy to infer. If you need assistance with translation give me a shout! You should look for the ''Ρόδος'' station or ''Ρόδος πόλη'' if you are using meteo search (the rooftop NOA station i am using to compare with the WMO station). Here the HNMS bulletins in English! www.emy.gr/emy/en/climatology/climatology?So as you can see the rooftop NOA station is around 0.8C cooler during the summer nights compared to the WMO one in Rhodes! Like I said before I am pretty sure that a WMO station if placed next to the Lindos NOA station on the grass at 2m will be even warmer than Lindos NOA station!!!
You are comparing two stations 10 km apart located in a geographically complex area. You need them to be very close in a homogeneous environment to see the differences – overheated surface making it warmer overall, smaller daily range, etc., in rooftop stations.
(I can’t/I don’t know how to access the data from meteo.gr)
So here you go! I found the data of the Davis fan aspirated rooftop station of the Greek Coast Guard in the Port of Rhodes!www.meteocam.gr/rhodes/Much better comparison since these are also at the same elevation! Differences are negligible! The Port of Rhodes is only 0.1C warmer in terms of summer minimums compared to the WMO station in Rhodes AP at the same elevation! Unfortunately the parallel operation is only 4 years but you can get a good idea of what is happening! And bear in mind that the Rhodes Port Davis station does not belong to the National Observatory of Athens! If it did I am sure that with NOA's impeccable care in terms of installation any of their rooftop stations in the Port of Rhodes would actually have lower summer averages! So yeah, without actually wanting to come across as a Davis salesperson please do choose these stations! If properly installed in rooftops or any urban environment you would get more accurate data than your nearby WMO station!  |
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Post by Ariete on Jan 31, 2023 13:27:45 GMT -5
So yeah, without actually wanting to come across as a Davis salesperson please do choose these stations! If properly installed in rooftops or any urban environment you would get more accurate data than your nearby WMO station!
Yeah, you come across as a Lindos salesperson.
Did you have anything else on your mind?
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Post by southathens on Feb 1, 2023 14:28:51 GMT -5
So yeah, without actually wanting to come across as a Davis salesperson please do choose these stations! If properly installed in rooftops or any urban environment you would get more accurate data than your nearby WMO station!
Yeah, you come across as a Lindos salesperson.
Did you have anything else on your mind?
That's fine, I don't mind being a Lindos salesperson. We in Greece are proud of our beautiful Greek islands |
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 2, 2023 19:41:26 GMT -5
If that is what you really are, I don't think you have a very long future on this forum. Not that you would be banned, but because people will ignore you.
Stop harassing the new member. southathens whats your current weather like? Don’t have any users from the region so would be interesting to hear what the weather is like in Greece now |
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Post by Benfxmth on Feb 2, 2023 19:53:49 GMT -5
If that is what you really are, I don't think you have a very long future on this forum. Not that you would be banned, but because people will ignore you.
Stop harassing the new member. southathens whats your current weather like? Don’t have any users from the region so would be interesting to hear what the weather is like in Greece now It would be interesting if southathens posted his monthly summaries for his own location as well |
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Post by tommyFL on Feb 2, 2023 21:05:35 GMT -5
with non-rooftop data, preferably
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Post by southathens on Feb 26, 2023 7:56:37 GMT -5
If that is what you really are, I don't think you have a very long future on this forum. Not that you would be banned, but because people will ignore you.
Stop harassing the new member. southathens whats your current weather like? Don’t have any users from the region so would be interesting to hear what the weather is like in Greece now Thanks for the support! But who gives a shit about random people |
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Post by southathens on Feb 26, 2023 7:57:28 GMT -5
with non-rooftop data, preferably Unless they are from the National Observatory of Athens which as shown in my previous posts are even more accurate that WMO stations |
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Post by southathens on Mar 18, 2023 8:54:16 GMT -5
Updated climate data for Lindos until Feb 2023. Next month it will enter its 10th year of operation with freely available data and the fact it persists to around 22C average annual temperature is significant for European standards.  |
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Post by southathens on Jul 12, 2023 10:29:38 GMT -5
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Post by southathens on Jul 15, 2023 12:13:12 GMT -5
New July record set today in Lindos at 42.7C
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Post by southathens on Apr 7, 2024 21:07:29 GMT -5
At last 10 full years of official WMO data for Lindos.
From now on I doubt we will have significant statistical changes in the values below. By the end of the month it should reach an average annual temperature of exactly 22.0C. Provided of course April continues to be as hot as it started here in Greece. It should max out at this value. I do not expect it to rise significantly unless we get some kind of freak hot years one after the other in Greece.  |
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Post by Ethereal on Apr 8, 2024 23:03:58 GMT -5
It's an epic climate. But I wouldn't call the Dodecanese region part of Europe in all brutal honesty. It's more West Asian as geography goes (only politically Europe, like Cyprus) -- Let's look at its location:  That island is technically part of Anatolia or "Asia Minor" (as they called it). So this is essentially a West Asian climate - Nothing "European" about it as the geography goes. If the Dodecanese islands were part of Turkey, they'd be considered to be part of Asia. So this area is actually "the absolute champion of West Asian heat" (since the islands sit just below Turkey's ass). And the hottest places in the actual physical continent of Europe will be those in southern Spain (shout out to lmao). And I know many might disagree here. But this had to be said. |
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Post by southathens on Apr 9, 2024 12:17:55 GMT -5
It's an epic climate. But I wouldn't call the Dodecanese region part of Europe in all brutal honesty. It's more West Asian as geography goes (only politically Europe, like Cyprus) -- Mate you need to do something with your geography. Rhodes clearly sits in the Aegean tectonic plate. Completely encapsulated by it. Clearly European geographically. The only area that is W.Asia geographically in Greece is Kastellorizo. Btw mainland south Greece beats the heck out of mainland Spain in terms of average annual Ts. Half of the country is like over 20.0C avg. annual T. Especially the Athens Riviera area. Something you cant find in any WMO station in mainland Spain.  |
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Post by Ethereal on Apr 9, 2024 20:52:54 GMT -5
It's an epic climate. But I wouldn't call the Dodecanese region part of Europe in all brutal honesty. It's more West Asian as geography goes (only politically Europe, like Cyprus) -- Mate you need to do something with your geography. Rhodes clearly sits in the Aegean tectonic plate. Completely encapsulated by it. Clearly European geographically. The only area that is W.Asia geographically in Greece is Kastellorizo.
Btw mainland south Greece beats the heck out of mainland Spain in terms of average annual Ts. Half of the country is like over 20.0C avg. annual T. Especially the Athens Riviera area. Something you cant find in any WMO station in mainland Spain. You're getting too technical. Because the Eurasian plate includes both Asia and Europe ( and not these islands, which are on the Aegean Plate - Separate from Eurasian plate). So by your logic, China is "geographically" in Europe, and these Dodecanese islands are not because they're in the SEPARATE Aegean plate. Doesn't work that way.  Geographically, the Dodecanese islands are proximate to Anatolia (Asia Minor), just the same way Cyprus is to West Asia. Climatically, they're more West Asian/Anatolian than they are southern European proper. Again, if Turks (God forbid) occupied Rhodes and the surrounding islands, then the region will be considered West Asian and Rhodes will be listed under "cities of Asia". Mainland southern Greece and southern Spain are a good competition. I think the highest temp records (for Europe) occurred in Greece and Sicily. Though Southern Spain (Seville) seems to feature more consistently high daytime temperatures in summer (36C). Btw, the Aegian and Anatolian Plates seem to be divergent plates. Sometimes they're separated from the Eurasian plate by the geologists and sometimes they're "shoved" in with the Eurasian plate (so that's why I would NOT use tectonics as the basis of an argument as geologists seem to disagree with each other):  Same way with the Australian plate/Indo-Australian plate. They're either together or they've diverged 3 million years go (according to "recent studies"). 🙄🤷♀️ |
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Post by southathens on Apr 9, 2024 23:01:09 GMT -5
Mate you need to do something with your geography. Rhodes clearly sits in the Aegean tectonic plate. Completely encapsulated by it. Clearly European geographically. The only area that is W.Asia geographically in Greece is Kastellorizo.
Btw mainland south Greece beats the heck out of mainland Spain in terms of average annual Ts. Half of the country is like over 20.0C avg. annual T. Especially the Athens Riviera area. Something you cant find in any WMO station in mainland Spain. You're getting too technical. I mean you got technical so...yeah. Anyhow by most if not all definitions Rhodes is geographically Europe. Clearly so. I mean I am sure you don't want me to quote third grade geography books used in Greece's educational system. The most convincing technical delineation we have for the geography of the Aegean Islands is that what ever sits in the Aegean plate is Europe and whatever sits in the Anatolian plate is Asia. By your logic Athens which sits in the Aegean Plate is not Europe....I mean the birthplace of European civilization Anyhow like I said the only area that is probably W.Asia geographically in Greece is Kastellorizo island but you might want to check with the majority of the Greeks who would pretty much crucify you if you told them Kastellorizo is not European. Also, no. It's irrelevant to Turkey's conquests. See European Turkey. A clear European area in terms of geography. Even if Rhodes was a part of Turkey most geologists would classify it under ''Europe'' based on the plates. One thing I do agree with you is that climatologically speaking yes Rhodes and most of the Greek islands off Turkey seem more W.Asian in that regard. P.S Sparta and the Evrotas Valley beat Seville's summer average max T's |
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