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Post by Ethereal on Apr 10, 2024 9:29:30 GMT -5
You're getting too technical. I mean you got technical so...yeah. Anyhow by most if not all definitions Rhodes is geographically Europe. Clearly so. I mean I am sure you don't want me to quote third grade geography books used in Greece's educational system. The most convincing technical delineation we have for the geography of the Aegean Islands is that what ever sits in the Aegean plate is Europe and whatever sits in the Anatolian plate is Asia. By your logic Athens which sits in the Aegean Plate is not Europe....I mean the birthplace of European civilization Anyhow like I said the only area that is probably W.Asia geographically in Greece is Kastellorizo island but you might want to check with the majority of the Greeks who would pretty much crucify you if you told them Kastellorizo is not European. Also, no. It's irrelevant to Turkey's conquests. See European Turkey. A clear European area in terms of geography. Even if Rhodes was a part of Turkey most geologists would classify it under ''Europe'' based on the plates. One thing I do agree with you is that climatologically speaking yes Rhodes and most of the Greek islands off Turkey seem more W.Asian in that regard. P.S Sparta and the Evrotas Valley beat Seville's summer average max T's My logic is that tectonic plates shouldn't be used as a basis to determine continents or regions. Besides, Athens is part of mainland Europe, despite it being on the Aegean plate -- which is really part of the Eurasian plate (that includes most of Asia, except for Arabia). Again, by "not European" I mean geographically, not culturally. As for Rhodes being considered part of Europe if Turks to it, that's debatable. Istanbul (and the northern fringe of Turkey) are in the Eurasian plate, and not the Anatolian plate. And yet they divide Istanbul by the Bosporus sea to distinguish the European and Asian side of Istanbul (nothing to do with plates). Even here in Australia, we use rivers or seas to make delineations between towns or cities. That's because us humans are simple creatures and we prefer to see things on the surface. |
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Post by southathens on Apr 10, 2024 14:07:53 GMT -5
I mean you got technical so...yeah. Anyhow by most if not all definitions Rhodes is geographically Europe. Clearly so. I mean I am sure you don't want me to quote third grade geography books used in Greece's educational system. The most convincing technical delineation we have for the geography of the Aegean Islands is that what ever sits in the Aegean plate is Europe and whatever sits in the Anatolian plate is Asia. By your logic Athens which sits in the Aegean Plate is not Europe....I mean the birthplace of European civilization Anyhow like I said the only area that is probably W.Asia geographically in Greece is Kastellorizo island but you might want to check with the majority of the Greeks who would pretty much crucify you if you told them Kastellorizo is not European. Also, no. It's irrelevant to Turkey's conquests. See European Turkey. A clear European area in terms of geography. Even if Rhodes was a part of Turkey most geologists would classify it under ''Europe'' based on the plates. One thing I do agree with you is that climatologically speaking yes Rhodes and most of the Greek islands off Turkey seem more W.Asian in that regard. P.S Sparta and the Evrotas Valley beat Seville's summer average max T's My logic is that tectonic plates shouldn't be used as a basis to determine continents or regions. Besides, Athens is part of mainland Europe, despite it being on the Aegean plate -- which is really part of the Eurasian plate (that includes most of Asia, except for Arabia). Again, by "not European" I mean geographically, not culturally. As for Rhodes being considered part of Europe if Turks to it, that's debatable. Istanbul (and the northern fringe of Turkey) are in the Eurasian plate, and not the Anatolian plate. And yet they divide Istanbul by the Bosporus sea to distinguish the European and Asian side of Istanbul (nothing to do with plates). Even here in Australia, we use rivers or seas to make delineations between towns or cities. That's because us humans are simple creatures and we prefer to see things on the surface. Yes but specifically for the Aegean islands when it comes to geographical classification the most widespread international use of a meaningful classification is the use of plates! That's what most geologists consider specifically for the Aegean. Official Greek authorities as well (and that's exactly what we are taught in school btw). The only major Aegean islands on the Anatolian plate are Imvros, Tenedos, the Bosporus islands, Kastellorizo and various uninhabited islets/rocks. Only Kastellorizo belongs to Greece and possibly some small islets/rocks. The rest are all Turkish. It is very ''fringe'' to consider Rhodes as not European geographically by any classification. Regardless if it belongs to Greece or Turkey. Especially seeing it is engulfed completely by the Aegean Plate. Rhodes is pretty clear cut. Sicily for example is much much more debatable as to where it falls geographically. It clearly sits in the African plate and its an island not belonging to mainland Italy. Politically its European due to Italy but geographically its pretty clear Sicily is Africa. Rhodes clearly sitting in the same plate as Athens is much less debatable. There is a clear cut geographical boundary here that is meaningful and makes the most sense. That's why most geologists see the vast majority of Aegean islands as European geographically and Sicily as African geographically. You see geologists are more likely to see real geographical boundaries irrespective of political realities. There is not a single concrete geological or geographical boundary that could reliably make Rhodes ''Asian''. The fact that is not connected to mainland Turkey/Asia in combination to it sitting in the Aegean Plate give it a very strong case of being European geographically. I bet if Rhodes belonged to Turkey then Turkey would be the first to make that case. But in any case leaving aside everything and all classifications. The scientific consensus is that Rhodes is European geographically. That's for sure despite fringe minority opinions. P.S A small trivia that might be of interest. The above issue we are currently discussing became a serious internal political issue around a decade back when a very well known seismologist/geologist had said in an interview that Kastellorizo is W.Asia geographically. It was a mess and the man was close to have his career ended from some hot headed politicians who were linking this with Turkey politics. At the end there was a compromise in Greece's school books and science won (albeit with some decoratory word nitpicking). Greek school books today mention that ''Kastellorizo and a few uninhabited islets/rocks are ''only'' geographically W.Asia while politically they are ''clearly'' Europe'' - using the plates classification. It was very funny to watch on the TV hysterias from various politicians that wanted his ''head'' lol.  |
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Post by Ethereal on Apr 10, 2024 23:27:12 GMT -5
My logic is that tectonic plates shouldn't be used as a basis to determine continents or regions. Besides, Athens is part of mainland Europe, despite it being on the Aegean plate -- which is really part of the Eurasian plate (that includes most of Asia, except for Arabia). Again, by "not European" I mean geographically, not culturally. As for Rhodes being considered part of Europe if Turks to it, that's debatable. Istanbul (and the northern fringe of Turkey) are in the Eurasian plate, and not the Anatolian plate. And yet they divide Istanbul by the Bosporus sea to distinguish the European and Asian side of Istanbul (nothing to do with plates). Even here in Australia, we use rivers or seas to make delineations between towns or cities. That's because us humans are simple creatures and we prefer to see things on the surface. Yes but specifically for the Aegean islands when it comes to geographical classification the most widespread international use of a meaningful classification is the use of plates! That's what most geologists consider specifically for the Aegean. Official Greek authorities as well (and that's exactly what we are taught in school btw). The only major Aegean islands on the Anatolian plate are Imvros, Tenedos, the Bosporus islands, Kastellorizo and various uninhabited islets/rocks. Only Kastellorizo belongs to Greece and possibly some small islets/rocks. The rest are all Turkish. It is very ''fringe'' to consider Rhodes as not European geographically by any classification. Regardless if it belongs to Greece or Turkey. Especially seeing it is engulfed completely by the Aegean Plate. Rhodes is pretty clear cut. Sicily for example is much much more debatable as to where it falls geographically. It clearly sits in the African plate and its an island not belonging to mainland Italy. Politically its European due to Italy but geographically its pretty clear Sicily is Africa. Rhodes clearly sitting in the same plate as Athens is much less debatable. There is a clear cut geographical boundary here that is meaningful and makes the most sense. That's why most geologists see the vast majority of Aegean islands as European geographically and Sicily as African geographically. You see geologists are more likely to see real geographical boundaries irrespective of political realities. There is not a single concrete geological or geographical boundary that could reliably make Rhodes ''Asian''. The fact that is not connected to mainland Turkey/Asia in combination to it sitting in the Aegean Plate give it a very strong case of being European geographically. I bet if Rhodes belonged to Turkey then Turkey would be the first to make that case. But in any case leaving aside everything and all classifications. The scientific consensus is that Rhodes is European geographically. That's for sure despite fringe minority opinions. P.S A small trivia that might be of interest. The above issue we are currently discussing became a serious internal political issue around a decade back when a very well known seismologist/geologist had said in an interview that Kastellorizo is W.Asia geographically. It was a mess and the man was close to have his career ended from some hot headed politicians who were linking this with Turkey politics. At the end there was a compromise in Greece's school books and science won (albeit with some decoratory word nitpicking). Greek school books today mention that ''Kastellorizo and a few uninhabited islets/rocks are ''only'' geographically W.Asia while politically they are ''clearly'' Europe'' - using the plates classification. It was very funny to watch on the TV hysterias from various politicians that wanted his ''head'' lol. You make interesting points even though I may disagree and view them from a different perspective (plates vs on the surface). I get where you're coming from. About the last part, yeah, Greeks do feel hostility when they're linked with Turks/Asia. I mean, it shouldn't be a big deal as half of Anatolia was theirs before, right? And Anatolia is called "Asia Minor". Yeah, Greeks lived in Anatolia and later were savagely genocided, alongside the Assyrians and Armenians, by the filthy Ottomans. Off topic, but if Greece took over most of Anatolia/Turkey, then life would've been a lot better for the Christian minorities like the Assyrians/Syriacs and Armenians in the region. And like Erdogan wouldn't exist. |
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Post by southathens on Apr 11, 2024 2:19:19 GMT -5
About the last part, yeah, Greeks do feel hostility when they're linked with Turks/Asia. I mean, it shouldn't be a big deal as half of Anatolia was theirs before, right? And Anatolia is called "Asia Minor". Yeah, Greeks lived in Anatolia and later were savagely genocided, alongside the Assyrians and Armenians, by the filthy Ottomans. Off topic, but if Greece took over most of Anatolia/Turkey, then life would've been a lot better for the Christian minorities like the Assyrians/Syriacs and Armenians in the region. And like Erdogan wouldn't exist. I have a different political angle and we might be off topic. Suffice to say that I do not view people in terms on nationalities and/or in terms of religions. I judge each person be it a Turk, a Greek, an Armenian based on their merits or disadvantages and I never think in terms of nationalities. Frankly I do not believe in nation states, borders or organized religions. I self identify as a human...Also as an atheist and as a cisgender gay man. That's about it. I mean I am a Greek citizen but that's only legally because the system would fuck me up without a legal nationality. But that's about it. I dislike nationalistic categorizations. That's not to say I don't love my home, the city I grew up etc. I do strive and aspire for the best of my local community and the country at large. But ''Greece'' ''Turkey'' etc mean jackshit to me as notions. Especially in the context of nation states. |
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Post by Ethereal on Apr 11, 2024 7:47:46 GMT -5
About the last part, yeah, Greeks do feel hostility when they're linked with Turks/Asia. I mean, it shouldn't be a big deal as half of Anatolia was theirs before, right? And Anatolia is called "Asia Minor". Yeah, Greeks lived in Anatolia and later were savagely genocided, alongside the Assyrians and Armenians, by the filthy Ottomans. Off topic, but if Greece took over most of Anatolia/Turkey, then life would've been a lot better for the Christian minorities like the Assyrians/Syriacs and Armenians in the region. And like Erdogan wouldn't exist. I have a different political angle and we might be off topic. Suffice to say that I do not view people in terms on nationalities and/or in terms of religions. I judge each person be it a Turk, a Greek, an Armenian based on their merits or disadvantages and I never think in terms of nationalities. Frankly I do not believe in nation states, borders or organized religions. I self identify as a human...Also as an atheist and as a cisgender gay man. That's about it. I mean I am a Greek citizen but that's only legally because the system would fuck me up without a legal nationality. But that's about it. I dislike nationalistic categorizations. That's not to say I don't love my home, the city I grew up etc. I do strive and aspire for the best of my local community and the country at large. But ''Greece'' ''Turkey'' etc mean jackshit to me as notions. Especially in the context of nation states. I don't care about nationalities as well, but it depends sometimes. Religion is a different story, as it can incite people to do bad things (particularly Islam). Be proud of your Greek culture. You guys make the best food and music. Lol. Btw I'm gay too and I'm agnostic. |
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Post by southathens on Apr 11, 2024 12:16:15 GMT -5
I have a different political angle and we might be off topic. Suffice to say that I do not view people in terms on nationalities and/or in terms of religions. I judge each person be it a Turk, a Greek, an Armenian based on their merits or disadvantages and I never think in terms of nationalities. Frankly I do not believe in nation states, borders or organized religions. I self identify as a human...Also as an atheist and as a cisgender gay man. That's about it. I mean I am a Greek citizen but that's only legally because the system would fuck me up without a legal nationality. But that's about it. I dislike nationalistic categorizations. That's not to say I don't love my home, the city I grew up etc. I do strive and aspire for the best of my local community and the country at large. But ''Greece'' ''Turkey'' etc mean jackshit to me as notions. Especially in the context of nation states. I don't care about nationalities as well, but it depends sometimes. Religion is a different story, as it can incite people to do bad things (particularly Islam). Be proud of your Greek culture. You guys make the best food and music. Lol. Btw I'm gay too and I'm agnostic. Christianity is the same shit. Specially in areas. Organized religions are the ''opium of the people''. Specially lower income, lower education people living in socially conservative and insecure countries turn to religions for solace. Belief is different but organized religions are fucked up. I am proud of who I am personally. Not of a particular culture. |
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Post by Ethereal on Apr 12, 2024 4:02:54 GMT -5
I don't care about nationalities as well, but it depends sometimes. Religion is a different story, as it can incite people to do bad things (particularly Islam). Be proud of your Greek culture. You guys make the best food and music. Lol. Btw I'm gay too and I'm agnostic. Christianity is the same shit. Specially in areas. Organized religions are the ''opium of the people''. Specially lower income, lower education people living in socially conservative and insecure countries turn to religions for solace. Belief is different but organized religions are fucked up. I am proud of who I am personally. Not of a particular culture. Not to me pal. The worst of Christianity is is still better than the worst of Islam. Sorry, I don't buy this politically correct bullshit that "all religions are equally bad". There is a reason why Richard Dawkins, a staunch atheist who wrote so many critical stuff about Christianity, is now coming out as a cultural Christian and prefers a Christian society over an Islamic one (did you watch that recent video?). I still admire beautiful cathedrals, church hymns, Christmas, Easter (yes, the religious part of it), without believing the fictional divinity of it. Speaking of culture and organizations, do you consider yourself to be part of the LGBTQ+ community? I'm gay and I have nothing to do with it. It's still a "particular culture", as you put it. |
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Post by southathens on Apr 12, 2024 15:46:23 GMT -5
Christianity is the same shit. Specially in areas. Organized religions are the ''opium of the people''. Specially lower income, lower education people living in socially conservative and insecure countries turn to religions for solace. Belief is different but organized religions are fucked up. I am proud of who I am personally. Not of a particular culture. Not to me pal. The worst of Christianity is is still better than the worst of Islam. Sorry, I don't buy this politically correct bullshit that "all religions are equally bad". There is a reason why Richard Dawkins, a staunch atheist who wrote so many critical stuff about Christianity, is now coming out as a cultural Christian and prefers a Christian society over an Islamic one (did you watch that recent video?). I still admire beautiful cathedrals, church hymns, Christmas, Easter (yes, the religious part of it), without believing that the fictional divinity of it. Speaking of culture and organizations, do you consider yourself to be part of the LGBTQ+ community? I'm gay and I have nothing to do with it. It's still a "particular culture", as you put it. The same fucking shit ALL fucking organized religions. Anyway no point of further discussion given how biased you seem. |
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Post by Ethereal on Apr 12, 2024 21:17:33 GMT -5
Not to me pal. The worst of Christianity is is still better than the worst of Islam. Sorry, I don't buy this politically correct bullshit that "all religions are equally bad". There is a reason why Richard Dawkins, a staunch atheist who wrote so many critical stuff about Christianity, is now coming out as a cultural Christian and prefers a Christian society over an Islamic one (did you watch that recent video?). I still admire beautiful cathedrals, church hymns, Christmas, Easter (yes, the religious part of it), without believing that the fictional divinity of it. Speaking of culture and organizations, do you consider yourself to be part of the LGBTQ+ community? I'm gay and I have nothing to do with it. It's still a "particular culture", as you put it. The same fucking shit ALL fucking organized religions. Anyway no point of further discussion given how biased you seem. Why are you hostile? No one is biased. I just won't say all religions are the "same shit" (but you can have that opinion, idc). To me, it's a cop-out way of pleasing everybody (and not offending anyone). Gross! I'd rather be "biased" than play it nice. Try living in Saudi Arabia or Iraq and have such opinions like these (and being gay on top of that). Oh wait, you wouldn't survive a week. Enough of this politically correct bullshit. The LGBTQ+ slash woke community is also a nasty organized cult itself, but I still favour it over an Islamic society and some eastern orthodox communities in eastern Europe. Sorry for having logical priorities. |
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Post by southathens on Apr 13, 2024 12:28:26 GMT -5
The same fucking shit ALL fucking organized religions. Anyway no point of further discussion given how biased you seem. I just won't say all religions are the "same shit" (but you can have that opinion, idc). They are. Christianity included. If you cant see that then its difficult to consider you as impartial Anyway we are off topic. |
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Post by southathens on Apr 14, 2024 6:15:43 GMT -5
Rhodes currently Lindos stands out right now as the strong NW fohn winds have skyrocketed the T to 28.5C  |
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Post by southathens on Apr 15, 2024 22:25:38 GMT -5
Talk about temperature inversions... Katavia in South Rhodes just off the sea only at 55 meters asl dropped to 10.8C tonight ffs  |
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Post by Ethereal on Apr 20, 2024 3:17:46 GMT -5
I just won't say all religions are the "same shit" (but you can have that opinion, idc). They are. Christianity included. If you cant see that then its difficult to consider you as impartial Anyway we are off topic. Not to me -- A bishop got stabbed by an Islamic extremist just 3km away from my house. This was world news. No one died, but they could have if the dude had opened his blade properly. And when did I say I want to be impartial? I just asserted that not all religions are the "same shit". So yeah, I'm not really "fair" when it comes to reality. |
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Post by southathens on Apr 22, 2024 0:16:00 GMT -5
They are. Christianity included. If you cant see that then its difficult to consider you as impartial Anyway we are off topic. Not to me -- A bishop got stabbed by an Islamic extremist just 3km away from my house. This was world news. No one died, but they could have if the dude had opened his blade properly. And when did I say I want to be impartial? I just asserted that not all religions are the "same shit". So yeah, I'm not really "fair" when it comes to reality. So what? In Africa daily there are atrocities in the name of christianity. Against women, gay men etc. Just visit Nigeria, Ghana and the likes and then tell me if christianity is a bitch or not. Oh and don't forget Russia. ALL major religions are SHIT, especially when they fall in the hands of fanatic uneducated loonatics. Anyway m8 if you want to continue the discussion pm me bsc we are way off topic. |
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Post by southathens on Apr 29, 2024 9:34:24 GMT -5
Windward vs leeward side of Rhodes today. Only 22.6C max in windward Rhodes while Lindos reached 28.6C due to the foehn winds.  |
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Post by southathens on Apr 30, 2024 10:25:28 GMT -5
One more foehn day in Lindos and T differences more pronounced today between windward and leeward side of Rhodes.  |
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Post by southathens on May 1, 2024 11:32:20 GMT -5
Today also strong NW foehn winds fucked up Lindos. 28.1C was also Greece's max for today.  |
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Post by southathens on May 1, 2024 11:47:27 GMT -5
With the addition of April 2024 Lindos now stands at a 22.0C exactly avg. annual T. First place in Europe to reach 22.0C for at least a 10-year POR.  |
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Post by southathens on May 17, 2024 13:23:18 GMT -5
Today we had the opposite effect with the foehn due to S/SW winds affecting the windward side of Rhodes  |
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Post by southathens on May 20, 2024 12:33:33 GMT -5
leeward side foehn today in Lindos  |
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