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Post by Cadeau on Nov 20, 2017 11:11:42 GMT -5
New York City, NY, United States  Paris, Île-de-France, France  Milano, Lombardia, Italy  Seoul, South Korea  Though it may be a coincidence, I have noticed that the annual temperatures in most of the prosperous metropolitan areas in the world tend to stay at around low-10s°C(low to mid-50s°F). Perhaps 12~13°C is the magic number in regard to both cold and heat being distributed moderately over the years, and I think it is an ideal value for the human being to maximize their productivity in the modern society. What do you guys would choose? |
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Post by Babu on Nov 20, 2017 11:18:27 GMT -5
I picked Paris, but Launceston and Blenheim are definitely my favorite in the world for that temperuature span.
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Post by Cadeau on Nov 20, 2017 11:38:11 GMT -5
I picked Paris, but Launceston and Blenheim are definitely my favorite in the world for that temperuature span. I'm sure those climates can beat the northern Spain easily if you prefer more sun and moderate precipitation form(drizzle/light rain). This topic is rather just a common match for such global cities but prior to climate, geographic location and historical background of the country contributes more to determine the development of the city. I always thought when I see the orderly manner and temperament of the Japanese people, it does not really match the climate(where most of the population are concentrated south of 36°N). |
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 20, 2017 11:51:10 GMT -5
Paris like Baba said, but the best climates in the world with those averages are found in the SH, my favourite being Comodoro Rivadavia.
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Post by Babu on Nov 20, 2017 12:21:58 GMT -5
Paris like Baba said, but the best climates in the world with those averages are found in the SH, my favourite being Comodoro Rivadavia. How can you possibly prefer Comodoro Rivadavia to Launceston and Blenheim? It's cooler in winter, less sunny and a almost a desert. And do you really prefer 25.6/13.2 over 24.5/12.1? |
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 20, 2017 12:50:01 GMT -5
How can you possibly prefer Comodoro Rivadavia to Launceston and Blenheim? It's cooler in winter, less sunny and a almost a desert. And do you really prefer 25.6/13.2 over 24.5/12.1? 25.6°/13.2°C sounds a bit nicer yes! That equals a 19.4°C mean, which is about 1.5° lower than the summer mean of my dream climate (25°/17° to enable warmth for longer at sea level) and 0.6°C lower than my dream summer month (25°/15°) Comodoro Rivadavia also has a weaker sun, which is better for my pale skin, along with winters only narrowly cooler. It only getting 260 mm or whatever doesn't bother me too much, especially with me wearing glasses just like you  |
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Post by grega94 on Nov 20, 2017 13:19:42 GMT -5
I voted for Milano, but you bring up another interesting point, what are the average temps for the most successful and productive cities in the world?
Top 10 metro areas by GDP
1. Tokyo: 15.4C (59.7F)
2. New York City: 12.8C (55F)
3. Los Angeles: 18.6C (65.4F)
4. Seoul: 12.5C (54.5F)
5. London: 11.32C (52.37F)
6. Paris: 12.5C (54.5F)
7. Osaka: 16.9C (62.4F)
8. Shanghai: 17.05C (62.69F)
9. Chicago: 10.8C (51.4C)
10. Moscow: 5.8C (42.4F)
Average: 13.37C (56.04F)
Range: [18.6C (65.4F)] - [5.8C (42.4F)] = 12.8C (23F)
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Post by Ariete on Nov 20, 2017 14:00:03 GMT -5
NYC. I like Seoul's temperatures better, it has been an inspiration for my dream climate, but the precipitation is just stupendous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 14:54:28 GMT -5
Of those options, Paris.
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Post by alex992 on Nov 20, 2017 15:05:42 GMT -5
Seoul I guess for having the coldest winters and wettest summers. How many thunder days on average does Seoul record? I've read a lot of the East Asian rainfall during summer isn't quite thundery.
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Post by Steelernation on Nov 20, 2017 15:08:08 GMT -5
NYC. It’s a C/C+, Milan a C-/C, Paris a D and Seoul a D.
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Post by Cadeau on Nov 20, 2017 17:39:48 GMT -5
Seoul I guess for having the coldest winters and wettest summers. How many thunder days on average does Seoul record? I've read a lot of the East Asian rainfall during summer isn't quite thundery. My memory of thunderstorm isn't really vivid than occasional typhoon comes to threat the peninsula, maybe because I wasn't paying attention to the weather as I'm now. While experiencing thundery weather condition with lightning is not unusual in Jangma(monsoon season starting around late June to July) season. If you're expecting the frequency of same level as the Southeastern U.S., you'll be easily underwhelmed by their numbers. I recall the intensity itself was fairly strong once the two fronts collide and push into the other side. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 17:46:16 GMT -5
I voted for Milano, but you bring up another interesting point, what are the average temps for the most successful and productive cities in the world? Top 10 metro areas by GDP 1. Tokyo: 15.4C (59.7F) 2. New York City: 12.8C (55F) 3. Los Angeles: 18.6C (65.4F) 4. Seoul: 12.5C (54.5F) 5. London: 11.32C (52.37F) 6. Paris: 12.5C (54.5F) 7. Osaka: 16.9C (62.4F) 8. Shanghai: 17.05C (62.69F) 9. Chicago: 10.8C (51.4C) 10. Moscow: 5.8C (42.4F) Average: 13.37C (56.04F) Range: [18.6C (65.4F)] - [5.8C (42.4F)] = 12.8C (23F) If that proves anything, it's that temperature, unless ridiculous, isn't particularly important. You arguably could have added the likes of Dubai to that list (29.97C). |
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Post by deneb78 on Nov 20, 2017 17:54:44 GMT -5
Paris for having the mildest winters out of the bunch. Milan a close second.. the others are too continental.
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Post by Cadeau on Nov 20, 2017 18:06:04 GMT -5
I voted for Milano, but you bring up another interesting point, what are the average temps for the most successful and productive cities in the world? Top 10 metro areas by GDP 1. Tokyo: 15.4C (59.7F) 2. New York City: 12.8C (55F) 3. Los Angeles: 18.6C (65.4F) 4. Seoul: 12.5C (54.5F) 5. London: 11.32C (52.37F) 6. Paris: 12.5C (54.5F) 7. Osaka: 16.9C (62.4F) 8. Shanghai: 17.05C (62.69F) 9. Chicago: 10.8C (51.4C) 10. Moscow: 5.8C (42.4F) Average: 13.37C (56.04F) Range: [18.6C (65.4F)] - [5.8C (42.4F)] = 12.8C (23F) Nice observation by analyzing the statistics. Of course, no one can deny Tokyo, LA, Osaka, Shanghai are big chunk of the megapolises in their region however I cannot draw them in a "classic" city in a climatic sense. Moscow is slightly better but the colder pattern stands out overall. For those who have other opinions, my idea may sound controversial but this is what I think about purely based on the cold/heat balance. |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Nov 21, 2017 0:20:48 GMT -5
NYC. Milan has better temperatures but is too cloudy
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Post by grega94 on Nov 21, 2017 10:44:54 GMT -5
I voted for Milano, but you bring up another interesting point, what are the average temps for the most successful and productive cities in the world? Top 10 metro areas by GDP 1. Tokyo: 15.4C (59.7F) 2. New York City: 12.8C (55F) 3. Los Angeles: 18.6C (65.4F) 4. Seoul: 12.5C (54.5F) 5. London: 11.32C (52.37F) 6. Paris: 12.5C (54.5F) 7. Osaka: 16.9C (62.4F) 8. Shanghai: 17.05C (62.69F) 9. Chicago: 10.8C (51.4C) 10. Moscow: 5.8C (42.4F) Average: 13.37C (56.04F) Range: [18.6C (65.4F)] - [5.8C (42.4F)] = 12.8C (23F) Nice observation by analyzing the statistics. Of course, no one can deny Tokyo, LA, Osaka, Shanghai are big chunk of the megapolises in their region however I cannot draw them in a "classic" city in a climatic sense. Moscow is slightly better but the colder pattern stands out overall. For those who have other opinions, my idea may sound controversial but this is what I think about purely based on the cold/heat balance. What do you mean by "classic" city? You mean white majority city? Anyway here are the next ten cities and there is still a large variation in avg temps, however much warmer bunch of cities. 11. Beijing: 12.55C (54.55F) 12. Rhine-Ruhr (Cologne): 10.3C (50.5F) 13. Houston: 21.1C (69.9F) 14. Washington: 14.55C (58.2F) 15. Sao Paulo: 19.2C (66.6F) 16. Hong Kong: 23.24C (73.83F) 17. Dallas: 19.5C (67.1F) 18. Mexico City: 17.5C (63.5F) 19. Guangzhou: 22.39C (72.3F) 20. Tianjin: 12.9C (55.22F) Average: 17.32C (63.17F) Range: [23.24C (73.83F)] - [10.3C (50.5F)] = 12.94C (23.33F) Top 20 Average: 15.35C (59.61F) Range: [23.24C (73.83F)] - [5.8C (42.4F)] = 17.44C (31.43F) I'm getting my list of cities from Wikipedia, ordered by the Brookings column. |
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Post by Cadeau on Nov 21, 2017 22:58:33 GMT -5
What do you mean by "classic" city? You mean white majority city? Anyway here are the next ten cities and there is still a large variation in avg temps, however much warmer bunch of cities. My definition of "classic" city fits with imagining all the local residents except tourists are busy to walk their own way, unnecessary small talk beside basic greeting manner is often neglected, look down on people who are acting clumsily or foolish in the middle of the street. Except for Seoul,(they have good fashion sense though the majority only follows the hottest trend, no individual characteristics) all three cities have a common point of known as the fashion capital, and they dress very neatly. Any major cities around the world have this kind of personality, but these cities on the poll are the more extreme whether it's influenced by media or anecdotes. When the average annual temperature rises to a certain degree, the atmosphere of the city become more relaxed/laid-back(Singapore the whole island feels artificial to me founded by Chinese with a full volition and Japan is really an exception). When the average annual temperature decreases, it becomes feel sterile/limited to enjoy the vibrant city activity. |
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Post by Beercules on Nov 21, 2017 23:02:22 GMT -5
NYC. Seems to have the best medium of everything among this lot.
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 22, 2017 5:45:28 GMT -5
Paris, easily. Even then, its midsummer lows are still too warm. Much better than having 20° C lows like NYC, at least...I'd never get any sleep!  Can Shetland even get 15°C lows? I could see 19°/15° in front of me during "heat waves". |
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