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Post by deneb78 on Jun 20, 2020 17:59:56 GMT -5
Motueka in a heartbeat... warmer year round. Not many citrus and avocado groves in London unlike Motueka.
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Post by ǝɹǝɥds ɐɯɐqo on Jul 5, 2020 22:45:22 GMT -5
London for being more variable overall. Both are fine though
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Post by irlinit on Jul 6, 2020 8:16:38 GMT -5
This is difficult.. Motueka clearly has better winters although they are still cool and not warm enough to feel warm. Sunshine is better too, however judging by the record highs/lows it would seem that the temperature does not stray too much from the averages.
I don’t think I could handle Motueka standard 20-24C summer temperatures practically every day without a chance of heatwaves/storms or something interesting so London may just edge it as at least we get some form of heat however crap it may be a few times each summer.
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Post by irlinit on Jul 6, 2020 17:14:05 GMT -5
This is difficult.. Motueka clearly has better winters although they are still cool and not warm enough to feel warm. Sunshine is better too, however judging by the record highs/lows it would seem that the temperature does not stray too much from the averages. I don’t think I could handle Motueka standard 20-24C summer temperatures practically every day without a chance of heatwaves/storms or something interesting so London may just edge it as at least we get some form of heat however crap it may be a few times each summer. I guess that varies from person to person, but warm enough at least for an orange or avocado tree in the backyard, and cool enough to be able to ski on the nearby mountains. With regards to summer heat, I'm used to people from that part of England downplaying the summer heat of England and overplaying the heat here, so tend to think that the combination of summer climates stats for both places, favours Motueka as the place that people would find warmer. Motueka winters are certainly far better than London’s hands down - however unless winters are pleasantly warm I need some summer heat to look forward to, even if it is just a handful of events that offer hot plumes with thunderstorms afterwards. That would definitely be absent in Motueka. I’m not so sure that I agree with you on summers, as most people in the UK who talk about weather don’t have a clue and will probably tell you that every day is raining and cloudy in London - in fact the majority of people will say it always rains in summer here and 20C and sunny is a fantastic July day whereas in fact the averages clearly show the opposite. Heathrow which is not in central London and outside of the UHI has the warmest means of publicly available data and London City has lows 1-2C warmer depending on months. I’m not sure exactly which data to compare to against Motueka but for 91-20 June- Aug are all warmer in London I believe and there is certainly a higher chance of heat and warmer days. The shoulder months closest to winter are probably better in Motueka as well although an April and May such as this year is becoming more common and you certainly wouldn’t get a deviation of +4C/5C for max temps in Motueka three times for April in the last 13 years I’m guessing? Anyway I certainly don’t think Motueka is terrible, if it had those averages with Melbourne’s deviation I would probably choose it. |
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Post by omegaraptor on Dec 7, 2020 17:30:50 GMT -5
London is more variable and gets much more interesting winter weather. Motueka is painfully stable. Gonna have to go with London here.
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Post by AJ1013 on Dec 7, 2020 17:37:05 GMT -5
London is more variable and gets much more interesting winter weather. Motueka is painfully stable. Gonna have to go with London here. London is superior in every aspect but sunshine. |
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Post by Yahya Sinwar on Dec 7, 2020 17:38:17 GMT -5
Both suck, both are non warm oceanic climates . The failed erections of the climate world . If erectile dysfunction was a climate it would be that of London’s and motuekas.
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Post by Beercules on Dec 7, 2020 17:53:44 GMT -5
Both climates are unfortunately gay, both barely get any storms ever, but Mouteka for the better winters and sunshine, even if London has slightly better summers.
But, as I've said, both climates are excessively gay. Cold maritime dross.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 7:07:48 GMT -5
Both suck, both are non warm oceanic climates . The failed erections of the climate world . If erectile dysfunction was a climate it would be that of London’s and motuekas. This and the cold maritime dross comment are interesting , because I think it suggests an individual climate paradigm that create a template for the poster to make sense of data with - in this case, both climates are "felt" by the poster to exist in a state where a degree of cold is the norm for the average person for most of the time, and suggesting a lifestyle governed by a response to cold. I obviously disagree, but the comments do to me point to why some posters feel so comfortable with the business of classifications - I do actually think that how one feels about a climate, is the only valid way to judge differences between climates, but only if that feel is one of experience, rather than an attempt to interpret "feeling" from data. Yes! Any climate with an annual mean of less than 22'C will by definition involve, by my standards anyway, temperatures that are below neutral more often than temperatures above neutral. Around here, for example, 8 months' average highs are below room temperature, 2 are room temperature (June and September), and only 2 are above. Average lows are below room temperature year-round. Your comment about interpreting feeling from data is garbage, though. There's a certain amount of comparison to one's frame of reference that people necessarily employ when rating climates. My average high in July is 27'C. I subjectively don't feel satisfied by the amount of summer warmth I experience in a year here. Thus, I know I wouldn't be satisfied by the amount of summer "warmth" (to me, "mildness" would be a better word) experienced in London or Motueka, both of which have average summer highs significantly cooler than at my location. It's also funny that you claim to be all about objectivity and data when in this very thread, you're using anecdotes from Londoners who've been to Motueka to try to "prove" that Motueka summers "feel" warmer and less gloomy, when the data suggest they're more comparable than you'd think. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 8:09:46 GMT -5
suggesting a lifestyle governed by a response to cold. This clearly isn't the case in the warmer half of the year. |
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Post by MET on Dec 8, 2020 8:25:33 GMT -5
Joe90 hasn't posted any annual/monthly summaries from what I've seen. I found a PWS on wunderground.com, and I'm aware that it will be less accurate than an official station and may/may not over read, but this is what it comes to for 2020 so far:  If that's anything to go by, add the 2400+ sunshine hours and it beats London by light years in all seasons IMO. The rain falls on substantially fewer days, and rains heavy and briefly from the data on the PWS I saw. Not a single season in London can match Motueka and especially autumn-spring. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 8:28:47 GMT -5
Joe90 hasn't posted any annual/monthly summaries from what I've seen. I found a PWS on wunderground.com, and I'm aware that it will be less accurate than an official station and may/may not over read, but this is what it comes to for 2020 so far: If that's anything to go by, add the 2400+ sunshine hours and it beats London by light years in all seasons IMO. The rain falls on substantially fewer days, and rains heavy and briefly from the data on the PWS I saw. Not a single season in London can match Motueka and especially autumn-spring. One year isn't enough to get an idea of the climate though. Here's London's official 2020. Comparing to a PWS, you may as well use UK_Palms garden PWS. They are fairly similar between Apr/Oct - Aug/Feb, though Motueka pulled away a bit in Sep/Mar.
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Post by Beercules on Dec 8, 2020 8:30:55 GMT -5
That PWS appears to be an Aldi thermometer placed face-up on the blackest asphalt available in Moteuka.
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Post by MET on Dec 8, 2020 8:31:41 GMT -5
Joe90 hasn't posted any annual/monthly summaries from what I've seen. I found a PWS on wunderground.com, and I'm aware that it will be less accurate than an official station and may/may not over read, but this is what it comes to for 2020 so far: If that's anything to go by, add the 2400+ sunshine hours and it beats London by light years in all seasons IMO. The rain falls on substantially fewer days, and rains heavy and briefly from the data on the PWS I saw. Not a single season in London can match Motueka and especially autumn-spring. One year isn't enough to get an idea of the climate though. Here's London's official 2020. Comparing to a PWS, you may as well use UK_Palms garden PWS.
Both are good points, but as someone who prefers sunnier and milder weather year round Motueka wins it for me quite easily even based on the official numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 8:32:08 GMT -5
That PWS appears to be an Aldi thermometer placed face-up on the blackest asphalt available in Moteuka. So UK_Palms PWS would actually be more accurate? |
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Post by Beercules on Dec 8, 2020 8:35:28 GMT -5
That PWS appears to be an Aldi thermometer placed face-up on the blackest asphalt available in Moteuka. So UK_Palms PWS would actually be more accurate? Both are as accurate as each other. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 8:54:39 GMT -5
suggesting a lifestyle governed by a response to cold. This clearly isn't the case in the warmer half of the year. This is also true, but joe90 doesn't understand the difference between being cool but comfortable, and being cold enough to require needing to adapt to it (such as by putting on an extra layer). |
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Post by AJ1013 on Dec 8, 2020 11:27:09 GMT -5
Joe90 hasn't posted any annual/monthly summaries from what I've seen. I found a PWS on wunderground.com, and I'm aware that it will be less accurate than an official station and may/may not over read, but this is what it comes to for 2020 so far: If that's anything to go by, add the 2400+ sunshine hours and it beats London by light years in all seasons IMO. The rain falls on substantially fewer days, and rains heavy and briefly from the data on the PWS I saw. Not a single season in London can match Motueka and especially autumn-spring. So every month this year broke the heat record? Seems unlikely. |
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Post by MET on Dec 8, 2020 11:41:16 GMT -5
Joe90 hasn't posted any annual/monthly summaries from what I've seen. I found a PWS on wunderground.com, and I'm aware that it will be less accurate than an official station and may/may not over read, but this is what it comes to for 2020 so far: If that's anything to go by, add the 2400+ sunshine hours and it beats London by light years in all seasons IMO. The rain falls on substantially fewer days, and rains heavy and briefly from the data on the PWS I saw. Not a single season in London can match Motueka and especially autumn-spring. So every month this year broke the heat record? Seems unlikely. Do you know what the records are?
I said these won't be as accurate as official statistics, which I'm struggling to find.
I know that the record maximum temperature is 36.2°C, which did not occur on that PWS in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 11:46:32 GMT -5
It's also funny that you claim to be all about objectivity and data when in this very thread, you're using anecdotes from Londoners who've been to Motueka to try to "prove" that Motueka summers "feel" warmer and less gloomy, when the data suggest they're more comparable than you'd think. Interesting - you've somehow managed to read what I've said, and completely misundersand what I've said. More interested in Londoners who live here year round, rather than visitors - and yes,, those people pretty much always say that Motueka summers feel better than London summers. Which is totally anecdotal, and you're using anecdotes as points even despite claiming to be all about hard data and numbers. London Jun: 21.2/11.7 Motueka Dec: 21.7/10.9 London Jul: 23.5/13.9 Motueka Jan: 23.3/12.0 London Aug: 23.2/13.7 Motueka Feb: 23.3/11.9 Averaging those six data points, London's summer comes out to 17.9'C, while Motueka's comes out to 17.2'C: over a degree Fahrenheit COOLER than London's. Anecdotal "feeling"-based accounts contradict the data, and it doesn't reflect so well on you to claim to be all about data and facts but use this kind of BS reasoning. |
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