Climate Battle: London vs Motueka

You mention "people like yourself". What group or category of people do I belong to? Warm weather fans? Americans? People from humid continental climates? Conservatives? Christians? Millennials? Males? Assholes? I'm a little emotional because I'm getting the impression that you're exceedingly stubborn and will deflect all criticism of your climate that doesn't align with your personal point of view you're trying to push, even if your point of view can be proven wrong by data.

What I'm wearing in my house isn't strictly related to the climate of Motueka, but it is related to the idea of thermal sensations in general. I'm just pointing out that your summer high temperatures really aren't that warm. I'm completely neutral in this temperature wearing a sweatshirt and long pants, and most people I know would be neutral in this temperature dressed similarly as well.

We've been through this before, Joe. In the English language, the way 99% of people use words, "cool" refers to a thermal sensation that is within the spectrum of a below-neutral temperature, thus the scale you refer to as "cold", but a mild and inoffensive sensation on such a scale. Hypothetically, if I were to walk outside right now and the temperature was 16'C, I would notice a decrease in perceived apparent temperature, or in other words "cooling down", and I might make a comment of "it's cool outside", or "it's a nice cool day", something like that. Obviously you don't "cool up"; you "warm up" or "heat up". But "cool" also means the sense I'm describing it in. If the low this morning was 3'C and it's 16'C now, it would be valid to say "it's warmed up a lot" or "it's a lot warmer than it was this morning", but it's still also valid, especially if I'm first walking outside, to say "it's cool outside".

There are two different definitions of "day" coming into play here: "day" as in daytime, and "day" as in the entire 24-hour cycle of Earth's rotation. At the peak heat of the day, on average I would expect to be neutral: not cool or cold, but not warm or hot. At 5 am when temperatures are at their lowest point, I would find the temperature definitely chilly and not reminiscent of summer at all.

Now you're changing what I said. I wouldn't feel warm during the average summer day. At the peak heat of the day, I wouldn't feel hot, warm, cool, or cold. I'd feel neutral. At night, it is both colder than the peak heat of the day, thus meaning it has "cooled down", and it is significantly below my body's optimum temperature for thermal exchange with the environment, which means I feel "cool". I see no fallacy or holes in my logic, and I get the sense you're being obtuse on purpose.

I used 16'C because I used that in my post previous to that, illustrating what an example of a temperature I would consider cool is.

The second part of your comment depends on what definition of "daytime" we use. Are we using the Sheldon-esque definition and including 8 am as daytime, which it technically is even though the temperature hasn't warmed up much from the low? If so, I would definitely expect to feel cool at that time. If you're using "daytime" to mean the peak heat of the day, I never said I'd feel cool; reread my post.

You're being obtuse on purpose. Just answer this question. If you're feeling no thermal sensation, no degree of hot or cold, then WHAT DO YOU FUCKING CALL IT? This is where the word "neutral" comes in. You're choosing not to understand my fucking points. Of course I know that 23'C in the sun feels warmer than 23'C in the shade; that's just how things work, but 23'C in the sun still isn't warm enough to bother me unless it's windless and humid - which is a different sensation than just raw temperature. You just keep repeating the same couple of lines without realizing how much of an idiot you look like right now.

Cool is a degree of cold in the same way that warm is a degree of hot. They're on the same side of the thermal sensation spectrum, but the reason there are different words is to distinguish between different intensities of those sensations. There's a difference between cool, chilly, nippy, cold, freezing, and frigid, just like there's a difference between warm, balmy, hot, sweltering, and scorching.

Do you think I really care about whether I "appear vulgar" to other people? I'm an adult, I can mind my own language, thank you very much.

Look at the graphic I provided. It explains all of this in easy to understand, plain English. "Warm down" and "cool up" are not commonly accepted choices of phrasing, as "warm" and "cool", used as verbs, are associated with increasing and decreasing temperatures respectively. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. You can't "warm down" or "cool up", but you can "warm up" from "cold" to "cool", "neutral", "warm", or "hot".

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My stance hasn't changed from this.

You're again misinterpreting my post and at least in part discussing my tone rather than the content of my posts. Decreasing cold is the same thing as "warming up". You can't "cool up" - you can only "cool down", going from a higher temperature to a lower one. But you can warm up from cold to cool.

People often do use words for temperature in relative or figurative ways. When I go to my parents' house and it's only 18-20'C inside, I know that's not an objectively cold, let alone freezing, temperature, but I'm more likely to say "I'm so cold" or "it's so cold in here" rather than the more accurate "it's cool in here", in a figurative sense to reference that I don't like my current thermal sensation. In general, "cold" and "hot" indicate discomfort or unpleasantness, while "cool" and "warm" are milder degrees of the two, indicating a thermal sensation but not one that's annoying or requires adaptation.

It's warm relative to temperatures experienced in winter, but I seriously doubt it would feel warm in the same way 30'C would if you're just walking outside from your 23'C heated house or apartment. I'm from Wisconsin so I'm very used to the concept of acclimatization. In fact, I've said that 50'F in September is equivalent in terms of how cold it seems to me at the time to 0'F in March (that's 10'C and -18'C respectively). But I've never walked outside on a nice, pleasant 13'C March day and had it feel warm. Those conditions in March will feel surprisingly mild, similar to how a September 17'C would feel, but I'd still notice a chill in the air and thus would call it "cool" rather than "warm".

What would make it feel different from a sunny 7'C April day here (which still feels distinctly cool or even cold)? If anything I'd imagine it would feel warmer here than in Anchorage because we have a higher sun angle.