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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 20:51:39 GMT -5
What would make it feel different from a sunny 7'C April day here (which still feels distinctly cool or even cold)? If anything I'd imagine it would feel warmer here than in Anchorage because we have a higher sun angle. It's simply the difference between what you are acclimated to and what you aren't (in this case 10-15F vs 45F). Really, you're always more acclimatized to 70'F than anything, unless you're a hobo. That April day would feel relatively mild, and certainly warmer than a 7'C October day, but you can't tell me you would walk outside and feel a sensation of warmth like you would in, say, 30'C. You would still sense a chill in the air - though not as much as on a January day. This is another example of where the word "cool" comes in (this sentence directed toward Joe). |
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Post by Strewthless on Dec 10, 2020 9:48:41 GMT -5
Joe90 hasn't posted any annual/monthly summaries from what I've seen. I found a PWS on wunderground.com, and I'm aware that it will be less accurate than an official station and may/may not over read, but this is what it comes to for 2020 so far:  If that's anything to go by, add the 2400+ sunshine hours and it beats London by light years in all seasons IMO. The rain falls on substantially fewer days, and rains heavy and briefly from the data on the PWS I saw. Not a single season in London can match Motueka and especially autumn-spring. That has all the makings of a station that was left in direct sunlight. It's breaking more records than Michael Phelps. |
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Post by Strewthless on Dec 10, 2020 10:05:55 GMT -5
It's also funny that you claim to be all about objectivity and data when in this very thread, you're using anecdotes from Londoners who've been to Motueka to try to "prove" that Motueka summers "feel" warmer and less gloomy, when the data suggest they're more comparable than you'd think. Interesting - you've somehow managed to read what I've said, and completely misundersand what I've said. More interested in Londoners who live here year round, rather than visitors - and yes,, those people pretty much always say that Motueka summers feel better than London summers. Other things people are alleged to have told you: - Dunedin, is unbelievably hot. - Motueka is much hotter than London in summer. - Motueka has stronger sun than the Algarve. - You look like Patrick Swayze. My theory is that you're a really nice guy, you treat your guests well and allow them to get drunk/stoned on your personal collection of booze and mushrooms. So they return the favour by telling you what you want to hear. |
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Post by MET on Dec 10, 2020 10:59:22 GMT -5
Joe90 hasn't posted any annual/monthly summaries from what I've seen. I found a PWS on wunderground.com, and I'm aware that it will be less accurate than an official station and may/may not over read, but this is what it comes to for 2020 so far: If that's anything to go by, add the 2400+ sunshine hours and it beats London by light years in all seasons IMO. The rain falls on substantially fewer days, and rains heavy and briefly from the data on the PWS I saw. Not a single season in London can match Motueka and especially autumn-spring. That has all the makings of a station that was left in direct sunlight. It's breaking more records than Michael Phelps. Michael Phelps has only broken three records?
We have established that it appears to read high earlier in the thread (though not in direct sunlight - that would yield highs of 50+Β°C).
I wanted to tally up the data from the only PWS I could find in Motueka, and it overeads by about 1Β°C according to the figures that Joe90 posted. That being said, I don't know of its location in relation to the official station, as it's further inland from the sea it stands to reason it can record higher maximum temperatures in summer, but I agree that it's over reading in all months.
This station in the area looks more accurate. |
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Post by Strewthless on Dec 10, 2020 12:25:43 GMT -5
Yes, that's what was said about Dunedin - by someone from Norwich. Summer is, better, longer, more summery, etc - Not sure if i've heard much hotter. Motueka has the same UV as Faro, despite being further from the equator. Yep, Patrick Swayze was a compaison made when I was younger. Not guests, but mostly just people I've worked with, and I don't offer booze and drugs to guests. I'll put your cyncism down to being someone not overly interested in weather. I am interested in weather, as a scientific discipline. What I'm not interested in are stories and anecdotes about weather that correlate little with the science. In fact, I will start to call them, anecJOEts. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 12:54:19 GMT -5
I am interested in weather, as a scientific discipline. What I'm not interested in are stories and anecdotes about weather that correlate little with the science.
In fact, I will start to call them, anecJOEts. Not sure why you think they don't correlate with science - a place that is sunnier, with warmer average maximums and less wind, is likely to feel warmer for longer..... which is pretty much what people say. Motueka does have higher average UV than comparable places in Portugal. You do seem less interested in weather, than in other posters. If we're comparing summer temperatures between London and Motueka again, Motueka's January average high is actually cooler than that of London in July. Motueka is warmer the other 11 months of the year in that regard, though in the other two summer months the difference is a fraction of a degree - hardly significant by itself unless you're Wilko. You're also completely and conveniently ignoring the low temperatures, which are lower in Motueka all three summer months compared to the corresponding months in London. Low temperatures matter too, especially if most of your time outside is at night or in the early morning. |
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Post by Strewthless on Dec 10, 2020 12:59:57 GMT -5
You do seem less interested in weather, than in other posters. You're entitled to that opinion, the idea that I'm not interested in weather, but like many of your opinions, it is incorrect. Firstly, you're not a weather enthusiast, you're a Motueka enthusiast. On both of my accounts I've made well over 1,000 weather posts (about 3,000 back on CD), which is more than many posters who are supposed to be weather enthusiasts. I've also never been accused of Botevving or misrepresenting stats, which are common behaviours on here. So again, your anecJOEt does not reflect the truth. |
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Post by Strewthless on Dec 10, 2020 13:16:08 GMT -5
You're entitled to that opinion, the idea that I'm not interested in weather, but like many of your opinions, it is incorrect. On both of my accounts I've made well over 1,000 weather posts (about 3,000 back on CD), which is more than many posters who are supposed to be weather enthusiasts. I've also never been accused of Botevving or misrepresenting stats, which are common behaviours on here. So again, your anecJOEt does not reflect the truth. Just go by what I see in shout box. Where have I misinterpreted stats? I've seen you use a station well inland to represent a location's highs, and peninsula to the north to represent lows. Although you rarely misrepresent Motueka's stats, since you've never actually provided any. None that can be deemed official at least. I'd like to see the 30 year averages, they must surely exist. |
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Post by MET on Dec 10, 2020 14:41:48 GMT -5
I think all arguments can stop now - after hunting about abit I've found what looks to be the most official stats I could reasonably find.  |
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Post by ππΏMΓΆrΓΆnππΏ on Dec 10, 2020 15:37:37 GMT -5
I think all arguments can stop now - after hunting about abit I've found what looks to be the most official stats I could reasonably find. I remember that 58C day - I was painting a roof on that day .... lost a good buddy out there on the roof .... it was bad... real bad. How warm was the water? 35C? |
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Post by irlinit on Dec 10, 2020 20:06:40 GMT -5
If we're comparing summer temperatures between London and Motueka again, Motueka's January average high is actually cooler than that of London in July. Motueka is warmer the other 11 months of the year in that regard, though in the other two summer months the difference is a fraction of a degree - hardly significant by itself unless you're Wilko. You're also completely and conveniently ignoring the low temperatures, which are lower in Motueka all three summer months compared to the corresponding months in London. Low temperatures matter too, especially if most of your time outside is at night or in the early morning. Sure, London is warmer by 0.2C in the warmest month, but Motueka has a warmer average maximum over summer, and an autumn month warmer than a London June.Β Nights are cooler, primararly due to Β longer nights, Β being less cloudy and cold air drainage that can cause a sharp drop typically just prior to sunrise - these tend to be around 5C and several of those are all it takes for here to be colder than London for lows. Motueka has had a warmer average summer month minmums than London, and has areas that have a higher average summer minmum than London. Motueka does warm up quicker and cools down quicker than London - which really just highlights a stronger sun/greater radiative cooling than London. Just saying, London city airport and other central locations average 15c lows in July. That aside summers are not noticeably different in temperature but certainly more chance of heat in London |
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Post by Beercules on Dec 10, 2020 20:09:34 GMT -5
How do the lows in Moteuka compare to Farewell Spit to the north? Interested to see if the lows at the end of the long spit are warmer. Weather station is at the base of the spit - average summer minimum is 13.8C, compared to Motueka at 11.6C. Annual minimum is 10.2C, compared to Motueka at 6.8C That's innumerably warmer than Motueka. Imagine the species one could grow there. Are there any climate stats for Farewell Spit? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 6:44:37 GMT -5
Just saying, London city airport and other central locations average 15c lows in July. That aside summers are not noticeably different in temperature but certainly more chance of heat in London Well London is 1500 square kms, so one can really just hunt around to find the warmest spot - using the same method here, the warmest minimum within that area is (over the three months of summer) 13.5C (Nelson observatory 1951-1980, now closed), compared to the warmest London location of Heathrow at 13.1C. The sun sets nearly an hour earlier, and rises nearly an hour later than London, plus the nights are less cloudy, so these two factors by themselves mostly explain the warmer nights of London over Motueka. Same again with heat -the coastal stations only max at about 29.5C every year, but nearby Tapawera averages 6 days over 30C, compared to London's 4. Heathrow isn't the warmest station in London. City Airport, St James's Park and Greenwich (closed) are all warmer, and City and St James's Park are warmer than 13.5c |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 13:23:17 GMT -5
Heathrow isn't the warmest station in London. City Airport, St James's Park and Greenwich (closed) are all warmer, and City and St James's Park are warmer than 13.5c Any stats for those locations? -the ones I find seem like obvious UHI. There were 1961-90 stats for SJP on the yr.no website but they have been removed. July and August were around 22.8c/14.6c. SJP mins are around 1-2c warmer than Heathrow.
The minima in the middle of the UHI are around 16c in July and August.
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Post by Strewthless on Dec 11, 2020 16:27:13 GMT -5
In regards to a previous point. The Algarve is on a lower lattiude, 3 degrees lower, although at the very most I'd expect something close to parity, rather than Motueka being noticeably stronger.
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Post by Strewthless on Dec 11, 2020 16:49:22 GMT -5
In regards to a previous point. The Algarve is on a lower lattiude, 3 degrees lower, although at the very least I'd expect something close to parity, rather than Motueka being noticeably stronger. Faro is 4 degrees difference in latitude, and 2 points lower in UV I stand corrected, the UV down there is way stronger than I realised. I just the melanoma rates down there were just due to having so many of us Anglo-Irish people. |
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Post by Beercules on Jan 14, 2021 20:29:41 GMT -5
London's avg annual low is 0.6C warmer than Motueka's.
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Post by ππΏMΓΆrΓΆnππΏ on Jan 15, 2021 11:47:20 GMT -5
@b87 London is actually not losing in this fight.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 12:02:45 GMT -5
@b87 London is actually not losing in this fight. It will be soon. |
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Post by jetshnl on Jan 15, 2021 18:14:27 GMT -5
Motueka is the superior climate -> the sun is not covered by constant cloud, and warmer winters.
Why was the Nelson table shown over Riwaka? Is it true Nelson gets 30 more precipitation days than Motueka as the tables show?
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