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Post by Babu on Jun 30, 2021 2:58:13 GMT -5
Not that I've seen the AWS personally, but I know where Penrith Lakes is, and i wouldn't say there is a great deal of UHI there....and foen winds ? so what ?...its still a normal weather phenomena and while the temp is out of the ordinary, the winds aint. Well not really UHI, but a very poor station placement which restricts airflow.Uhhhh, that station looks excellently placed with absolutely nothing erroneous that would lead to high temperatures. |
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Post by rpvan on Jun 30, 2021 3:05:02 GMT -5
And here come the fires.
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Post by knot on Jun 30, 2021 3:07:04 GMT -5
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Post by greysrigging on Jun 30, 2021 3:15:30 GMT -5
Uhhhh, that station looks excellently placed with absolutely nothing erroneous that would lead to high temperatures. Indeed...  |
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Post by knot on Jun 30, 2021 3:21:02 GMT -5
Just lmao @ using a non-satellite map^^^  |
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Post by greysrigging on Jun 30, 2021 3:37:33 GMT -5
Good pic...not a lot of UHI as was your first ( but not last ) false statement...haha
Any way, I digress...using Wacky Ken as source material on the validity or not of Penrith Lakes high temp reading ? C'mon, you can do better than that.
For non Aussies, Whacky Ken is part of a cabel of nutty Deniers who think there is a giant BOM conspiracy to falsify modern era temp records at the exspense of 'muh Federation Drought' years...er, no....
Of the same ilk as Jennifer Marohasy, JoNova,and the complete f-wit politician Craig Kelly
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Post by knot on Jun 30, 2021 3:55:47 GMT -5
Good pic...not a lot of UHI as was your first ( but not last ) false statement...haha Any way, I digress...using Wacky Ken as source material on the validity or not of Penrith Lakes high temp reading ? C'mon, you can do better than that. For non Aussies, Whacky Ken is part of a cabel of nutty Deniers who think there is a giant BOM conspiracy to falsify modern era temp records at the exspense of 'muh Federation Drought' years...er, no.... Of the same ilk as Jennifer Marohasy, JoNova,and the complete f-wit politician Craig Kelly Richmond RAAF is a vastly superior station to Penrith Lakes, and is therefore much more representative of what the Sydney Basin is capable of heatwise (without dirty cheats)—that much is certain. I do find your next statement to be quite worrying: do you deny the Federation Drought altogether? Or worse yet, deny the fact that droughts cause heatwaves, and not the other way around?? I sure hope not. It really shouldn't be surprising to anyone with even the faintest weather knowledge that the Federation Drought era (1895–1903) saw significantly hotter and, more importantly, longer heatwaves than anything recent. |
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Post by Beercules on Jun 30, 2021 4:02:47 GMT -5
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Post by Babu on Jun 30, 2021 4:31:40 GMT -5
No it doesn't, it's located 30m away from any non-grass surface, and even then it's just dirt/gravel, river etc. Looked like a very rural location.  If you genuinely believe there's something wrong with this placement from a climatological perspective, and that it's an erroneous placement that will give erroneously warm readings that isn't representative of any natural climate, then I'm sure I can find a spare room for you at my nursing home, where you'll be able to complain about it to some very understanding caretakers. |
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Post by Beercules on Jun 30, 2021 4:36:26 GMT -5
I don't see much wrong with the Penroid station (regrettably), except for the severe erosion and flayed landscape adjacent to the north and NW from when I dropped my nuclear bomb on it.
In all seriousness, I think the station is fine.
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Post by rpvan on Jun 30, 2021 4:38:06 GMT -5
Another record for Lytton!
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Post by rpvan on Jun 30, 2021 4:40:19 GMT -5
Cool satellite image showing all the smoke from the new fires yesterday:
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Post by rpvan on Jun 30, 2021 4:42:45 GMT -5
Pictures from the ground (this fire is situated NW of Kamloops):
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Post by Babu on Jun 30, 2021 4:42:52 GMT -5
Cool satellite image showing all the smoke from the new fires yesterday: Sucks that the fires should ruin potential record heat. |
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Post by rpvan on Jun 30, 2021 4:46:44 GMT -5
Cool satellite image showing all the smoke from the new fires yesterday: Sucks that the fires should ruin potential record heat. Most places already shattered all time records so there's not many more heat related records to break at this point. |
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Post by rpvan on Jun 30, 2021 4:48:09 GMT -5
3 straight days of new all-time Canadian heat records:
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Post by Babu on Jun 30, 2021 4:54:17 GMT -5
Sucks that the fires should ruin potential record heat. Most places already shattered all time records so there's not many more heat related records to break at this point. I'm pretty sure Lytton would have broken past 50'C if it weren't for the moderate sized forest fire just a few kilometers to the south whose smoke blew over Lytton during the day. Don't know exactly when this satellite image was taken but it was listed as PM.  Later in the evening the smoke was filling the entire valley. |
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Post by greysrigging on Jun 30, 2021 5:05:08 GMT -5
Good pic...not a lot of UHI as was your first ( but not last ) false statement...haha Any way, I digress...using Wacky Ken as source material on the validity or not of Penrith Lakes high temp reading ? C'mon, you can do better than that. For non Aussies, Whacky Ken is part of a cabel of nutty Deniers who think there is a giant BOM conspiracy to falsify modern era temp records at the exspense of 'muh Federation Drought' years...er, no.... Of the same ilk as Jennifer Marohasy, JoNova,and the complete f-wit politician Craig Kelly Richmond RAAF is a vastly superior station to Penrith Lakes, and is therefore much more representative of what the Sydney Basin is capable of heatwise (without dirty cheats)—that much is certain. I do find your next statement to be quite worrying: do you deny the Federation Drought altogether? Or worse yet, deny the fact that droughts cause heatwaves, and not the other way around?? I sure hope not. It really shouldn't be surprising to anyone with even the faintest weather knowledge that the Federation Drought era (1895–1903) saw significantly hotter and, more importantly, longer heatwaves than anything recent. Dirty cheats...c'mon mate use facts instead of mere heresay. Please explain why the Richmond RAAF site is 'superior' and 'more representative' of the Sydney Basin. Of course the Federation drought happened. You have an agenda against AWS it seems, and are ( perhaps or perhaps not ) you are philosophically agin modern heat records indeed verifiable ones that are not questioned by non standard instrumentation. And no, the 1896 heatwave, while significant of course, is of less intensity and duration than the JoNovas out there would have you believe. Again, use standardised data, not b/s newspaper reports and themometers in the shed. We are of course, way off topic here and should start a seperate thread for this sorta discussion. |
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Post by Beercules on Jun 30, 2021 5:20:09 GMT -5
Cool satellite image showing all the smoke from the new fires yesterday: Sucks that the fires should ruin potential record heat. Are you on drugs Babu? 49.6C in Canada not record heat enough? Also, there were no fires or smoke when these records were set. |
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Post by Babu on Jun 30, 2021 5:40:01 GMT -5
Sucks that the fires should ruin potential record heat. Are you on drugs Babu? 49.6C in Canada not record heat enough? Also, there were no fires or smoke when these records were set. The more extreme the record set, the better, especially during freak events such as this one. There is no "enough". And when was the record set? Surely after 3pm? There was some smoke on the AM satellite image as well. I checked hourly satellite images and by 12.00 local time there was already a visible smoke plume by lytton. And 0.4'C isn't huge amount and even small amounts of smoke can surely lower the temperature by more than that. And even if the smoke weren't to be directly above the station it could've affected temperatures nearby and indirectly affect the station in that way. |
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