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Post by southathens on Mar 1, 2024 22:14:39 GMT -5
Notice that average lows during the coldest months do not drop below 12C much like in the Azores. In fact I believe that Jan and Feb average highs must be even higher than the 17C suggested by the WMO fan aspirated station. I bet a passive Stevenson Screen station would give us around 18C average highs for Jan and Feb. The island is well within the upper 11a zone limits. Missing the 11b zone by around 1C. I think along with coastal Rhodes, Kasos and Karpathos it may also sustain cocos! It's a pity that we are talking about a tiny island with a few hundred inhabitants. So not many chances that people would have tried growing coconuts. And just look at this stunning 21.7C average annual temperature. Only behind Lindos which stands at 21.9C. On par with the Canaries.  And below a view of the WMO station in Kastellorizo.  What do you guys think? |
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Post by Beercules on Mar 1, 2024 22:20:37 GMT -5
No
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Post by southathens on Mar 1, 2024 22:22:48 GMT -5
why not?
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Mar 1, 2024 22:42:23 GMT -5
No, winter is simply too cold. Coconut palms require consistent warmth. 62ºF coldest month mean is about the limit for coconut palms (climates like Tampa). Kastellorizo is well short of that. LA winters are similar to it, no coconut palms there of course.
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Post by southathens on Mar 1, 2024 22:49:46 GMT -5
No, winter is simply too cold. Coconut palms require consistent warmth. 62ºF coldest month mean is about the limit for coconut palms (climates like Tampa). Kastellorizo is well short of that. LA winters are similar to it, no coconut palms there of course. We have an 8 year old surviving coconut palm tree in Paphos, Cyprus with considerably colder winters than Kastellorizo. It's the northernmost coco on the planet. If it managed there why wouldn't it manage in Kastellorizo? Specially the Indian variety which is more hardy. |
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Post by southathens on Mar 1, 2024 23:26:01 GMT -5
Oh and btw we have a surviving outdoors coco also in South East Rhodes. Its a very young one 2 or 3 years old but it is still potted. So if Rhodes did it why wouldn't Kastellorizo make it which has even milder winters?
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Post by Yahya Sinwar on Mar 1, 2024 23:31:08 GMT -5
How about you don’t use 6 year climate data for one, maybe one survives but it will be a scraggly palm and never fruit …
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Post by southathens on Mar 1, 2024 23:47:44 GMT -5
How about you don’t use 6 year climate data for one, maybe one survives but it will be a scraggly palm and never fruit … We don't have another station in Kastellorizo. It's a tiny island. We are lucky they even thought of giving it a WMO station. 6 years is better than nothing. Until now we could only guess its climate. At least now we have an indication. |
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Post by greysrigging on Mar 2, 2024 0:53:03 GMT -5
Well they dont survive long term in Sydney or Perth, so I doubt it.
Sure, some Perth blokes have gone to the trouble with heat blankets and protection and such for young ones, but eventually a cold wetter winter does 'em in...
Coconuts dont like cold wet feet
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Post by southathens on Mar 2, 2024 5:39:19 GMT -5
Well they dont survive long term in Sydney or Perth, so I doubt it. Sure, some Perth blokes have gone to the trouble with heat blankets and protection and such for young ones, but eventually a cold wetter winter does 'em in... Coconuts dont like cold wet feet Yeah but average lows both in Sydney and Perth during the coldest months are considerably lower than Kastellorizo. You do get occasionally very cold minimums compared to south Greek islands. |
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Post by southathens on Mar 2, 2024 6:02:57 GMT -5
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Post by Benfxmth on Mar 2, 2024 7:39:21 GMT -5
No chance, if you put considerable effort into protecting it in winter a scraggly tree could eke out a survival, but that's about it, defeats the purpose if it continually needs pampering.
Coconuts also need consistent warmth, not just the lack of frost.
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Post by southathens on Mar 2, 2024 9:02:49 GMT -5
The coco in Paphos survives entirely unprotected for the last 3 years according to its owner. Ok its not super robust and it is still pretty short for its age but it has survived.
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Post by southathens on Mar 2, 2024 9:28:04 GMT -5
The coconut tree just off Lindos in Rhodes is currently our biggest bet in Greece. It will soon leave the pot and will be planted on the ground according to its owner. So let's see how it fairs
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Post by southathens on Mar 2, 2024 9:40:23 GMT -5
Below the climate data of nearby Kasos and Rhodes islands at sea level with pretty similar winter values to Kastellorizo. Bear in mind that Kasos has a hot semi-arid BSh climate so it might be an extra challenge to grow cocos over there.   |
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Post by Marcelo on Mar 2, 2024 13:11:09 GMT -5
Annual mean of 21.7C ?!?
FFS, these Greek stations always get the magical, foehn-driven, miraculous super-hot spots.
You go to Kas, the Turkish town that is basically on the other side of the strait, and the annual mean is only 19.9C. You look for the hottest Turkish station out of the +200-station official network, and it turns to be a downtown station in Iskenderun located next to two wide avenues, which averages only 20.7C.
Then you go to Cyprus, which is located at a lower latitude, and the averages are 20.1C in Nicosia and Larnaka, and 19.4C in Pafos.
Back to Greece, you say, 'OK, some stations from the National Meteorological Service in the Dodecanese must approach those magical numbers', and get disappointed to see that Rhodes Airport averages some miserable 18.9C. |
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Post by flamingGalah on Mar 2, 2024 14:10:32 GMT -5
Nope absolutely no chance. And please stop posting dodgy data using a few years worth of stats from non WMO standard stations lol.
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Post by fairweatherfan on Mar 2, 2024 15:06:00 GMT -5
I'm no expert but these palms don't look healthy. |
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Post by southathens on Mar 2, 2024 16:45:47 GMT -5
Annual mean of 21.7C ?!?
FFS, these Greek stations always get the magical, foehn-driven, miraculous super-hot spots.
You go to Kas, the Turkish town that is basically on the other side of the strait, and the annual mean is only 19.9C. You look for the hottest Turkish station out of the +200-station official network, and it turns to be a downtown station in Iskenderun located next to two wide avenues, which averages only 20.7C.
Then you go to Cyprus, which is located at a lower latitude, and the averages are 20.1C in Nicosia and Larnaka, and 19.4C in Pafos.
Back to Greece, you say, 'OK, some stations from the National Meteorological Service in the Dodecanese must approach those magical numbers', and get disappointed to see that Rhodes Airport averages some miserable 18.9C. Yeah so give us your opinion on why Kastellorizo has a 21.7C annual mean? What is the problem this time? Yeah like I thought. No problem whatsoever. It is a fan aspirated station placed on the ground as per WMO standards and maintained impeccably by the National Observatory of Athens. Oh and look at these amazing summer minimums in Kastellorizo! I seem to recall that people were getting tantrums because Lindos (a non inversion area at that) was a rooftop job and somehow minimums were inflated. Now that Kastellorizo is on the ground at 2m as per WMO standards and has virtually the same minimums with Lindos what is the issue? Please do share with us on why these values are ''miraculously'' hot. I am keen to hear what u have to say using real arguments and not some half arsed ironies or random comparisons with vastly different areas. Greece has more than 600 met stations. The most in Europe for its size. You are bound to find super hot spots with this kind of coverage. Now what is the deal with comparing the Rhodes Airport with Lindos or Kastellorizo? I mean its clueless to compare so drastically different areas. |
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Post by southathens on Mar 2, 2024 16:47:37 GMT -5
And please stop posting dodgy data using a few years worth of stats from non WMO standard stations lol. Kastellorizo is a WMO station and that's the only freely available data we have from the island. So what am I supposed to post from Kastellorizo? Make up random data? oscar.wmo.int/surface/#/search/station/stationReportDetails/0-300-1-kastellorizoThe WMO stations of the National Observatory of Athens are a true wealth for Greece. We are lucky they have such a huge coverage and we drastically enrich our knowledge. Until recently no one could imagine that areas in Europe could reach 22C annual means. Well now we know... and in fact we have found 2 areas so far: Lindos and Kastellorizo. |
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