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Post by longaotian on Nov 29, 2017 16:03:00 GMT -5
If Auckland is 'bland', then how could Wellington possibly be better is beyond me, that city is the definition of a 'bland' climate, LOL  Wellington is much windier, and receives far more gales than Auckland. Storms and gales are what make a climate 'fun', in my opinion. My worst climates are those like Los Angeles; endless sunshine, and no storms or gales.  Auckland often gets ex-tropical Cyclones Januray through April and imo they are much more interesting than the irritating wind that wellington receives, not to mention that Auckland gets more storms than Wellington year round. Apart from the gales, Wellington is a very boring climate I think. |
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Post by knot on Nov 29, 2017 16:12:33 GMT -5
Auckland often gets ex-tropical Cyclones Januray through April and imo they are much more interesting than the irritating wind that wellington receives, not to mention that Auckland gets more storms than Wellington year round. Apart from the gales, Wellington is a very boring climate I think. Fair enough. Other than the gales, aye, Wellington is rather bland...it's got those mild summers I don't like; I like my summers either cool, warm or hot, with cool lows at all times. I don't like temps around 20° C. Christchurch beats both of them, easily. Ranfurly is the best climate in NZ, and is one of my favourite climates of all time. |
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Post by rwood2 on Nov 30, 2017 1:38:38 GMT -5
Auckland often gets ex-tropical Cyclones Januray through April and imo they are much more interesting than the irritating wind that wellington receives, not to mention that Auckland gets more storms than Wellington year round. Apart from the gales, Wellington is a very boring climate I think. Fair enough. Other than the gales, aye, Wellington is rather bland...it's got those mild summers I don't like; I like my summers either cool, warm or hot, with cool lows at all times. I don't like temps around 20° C. Christchurch beats both of them, easily. Ranfurly is the best climate in NZ, and is one of my favourite climates of all time. Ranfurly would be low on my list. Colder and cloudier than most of the region. |
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Post by rwood2 on Nov 30, 2017 1:41:21 GMT -5
Cool crummers, too cloudy, and too wet. The crummer record highs are about 15-20C too low lol! I call bullshit on the record winter lows though, no way Auckland would've ever got to -3.9C, even that -1.7C is suspect. D+ Central Auckland has never gone below about 2C for decades. The numbers there could only be valid for an outlying area in a frost pocket. Sunshine hours ae too low, historically about 2120 with manual equipment and probably 2250+ measured electronically. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 1:44:42 GMT -5
That's better, but still weaker than my ocation and large parts of the UK, which is hardly a hot spot for heatwaves. Having less heat potential than large parts of the UK is immediately a fail in my book. But as I've said, the lack of winter cold is the main issue. Ok. I would much rather live in a climate which has a far superior climate year round rather than one which receives a small heatwave once every 5 years. Also inland suburbs do have warmer & colder temperatures. My main issue with Auckland is the lack of extreme temperatures in Summer. Last February, my local station recorded an average high of 27.5C but the record high was only 2C higher, however in winter it will often get colder. It isn't particularly fantastic at any kind of year. Strong shoulder seasons but southern English crummers. Also the annoying sunshine distribution ensures that no month of the year is particularly sunny. However it all comes back to the cold. That climate is not capable of producing the pleasant tingling sensation in my testicles that I desire during the winter. |
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Post by longaotian on Nov 30, 2017 2:19:24 GMT -5
Ok. I would much rather live in a climate which has a far superior climate year round rather than one which receives a small heatwave once every 5 years. Also inland suburbs do have warmer & colder temperatures. My main issue with Auckland is the lack of extreme temperatures in Summer. Last February, my local station recorded an average high of 27.5C but the record high was only 2C higher, however in winter it will often get colder. It isn't particularly fantastic at any kind of year. Strong shoulder seasons but southern English crummers. Also the annoying sunshine distribution ensures that no month of the year is particularly sunny.However it all comes back to the cold. That climate is not capable of producing the pleasant tingling sensation in my testicles that I desire during the winter. Imo that's a postive, as it also ensures that no month is excessively cloudy which is nearly almost guaranteed in other climates around the world with similar sunshine levels. Also, as previously mentioned the Sunshine hours are incorrect, would at least be 100-200 hours sunnier. Unfortunately, the lack of cold seems to be your main problem and well I guess that's just a characteristic of a climate that's located on a very narrow area of land located on an island at 37 degrees south |
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Post by longaotian on Nov 30, 2017 2:26:40 GMT -5
Cool crummers, too cloudy, and too wet. The crummer record highs are about 15-20C too low lol! I call bullshit on the record winter lows though, no way Auckland would've ever got to -3.9C, even that -1.7C is suspect. D+ Central Auckland has never gone below about 2C for decades. The numbers there could only be valid for an outlying area in a frost pocket. Sunshine hours ae too low, historically about 2120 with manual equipment and probably 2250+ measured electronically. Yeah why is it?, 2003 always seemd a bit low to me. I have seen other data with more recemt averages of about 2130, so I'm guessing an electronically measured station closer to the city/Hauraki Gulf would certainly read even higher. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 2:58:14 GMT -5
It isn't particularly fantastic at any kind of year. Strong shoulder seasons but southern English crummers. Also the annoying sunshine distribution ensures that no month of the year is particularly sunny.However it all comes back to the cold. That climate is not capable of producing the pleasant tingling sensation in my testicles that I desire during the winter. Imo that's a postive, as it also ensures that no month is excessively cloudy which is nearly almost guaranteed in other climates around the world with similar sunshine levels. Also, as previously mentioned the Sunshine hours are incorrect, would at least be 100-200 hours sunnier. Unfortunately, the lack of cold seems to be your main problem and well I guess that's just a characteristic of a climate that's located on a very narrow area of land located on an island at 37 degrees south I'm not fussed on sunshine outside of summer months, and roughly the 200 hour region for most warmer months is nothing to write home about, and that is 200 hours of NZ's killer sunshine. Sunburn for breakfast, and skin cancer for lunch. As for the winters, they only reach a score of 2 on my testicle-tingle scale, which is poor. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 12:24:58 GMT -5
Imo that's a postive, as it also ensures that no month is excessively cloudy which is nearly almost guaranteed in other climates around the world with similar sunshine levels. Also, as previously mentioned the Sunshine hours are incorrect, would at least be 100-200 hours sunnier. Unfortunately, the lack of cold seems to be your main problem and well I guess that's just a characteristic of a climate that's located on a very narrow area of land located on an island at 37 degrees south I'm not fussed on sunshine outside of summer months, and roughly the 200 hour region for most warmer months is nothing to write home about, and that is 200 hours of NZ's killer sunshine. Sunburn for breakfast, and skin cancer for lunch. As for the winters, they only reach a score of 2 on my testicle-tingle scale, which is poor. Would you prefer Dunedin over Auckland? Why don't you like sunshine outside of summer? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 12:35:25 GMT -5
I'm not fussed on sunshine outside of summer months, and roughly the 200 hour region for most warmer months is nothing to write home about, and that is 200 hours of NZ's killer sunshine. Sunburn for breakfast, and skin cancer for lunch. As for the winters, they only reach a score of 2 on my testicle-tingle scale, which is poor. Would you prefer Dunedin over Auckland? Why don't you like sunshine outside of summer? I guess about the same, Dunedin has a higher TT rating, but also has no summer. But is much drier and unlike Auckland has probably managed to surpass 30.5C in the last 60 or so years. It's not that I don't like sunshine out of summer, I just happen to place a premium on summer sunshine. Auckland doesn't offer a sunny summer, even by pitiful British standards. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 12:48:47 GMT -5
Would you prefer Dunedin over Auckland? Why don't you like sunshine outside of summer? I guess about the same, Dunedin has a higher TT rating, but also has no summer. But is much drier and unlike Auckland has probably managed to surpass 30.5C in the last 60 or so years. It's not that I don't like sunshine out of summer, I just happen to place a premium on summer sunshine. Auckland doesn't offer a sunny summer, even by pitiful British standards. Auckland is a large area, so there would be places that drop below freezing , and also get above 30C most years. Auckland would still compare to the sunniest UK locations, when allowing for latitude differences, and is also sunnier in some parts of the city, than the figures shown. Probably a different type of cloudiness than you're used to, with more convective buildup causing NZ to not be much sunnier in summer, than the rest of the year. Convective cloud is fine by me, because it creates more of a summer feeling than just blue skies. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 15:41:24 GMT -5
I guess about the same, Dunedin has a higher TT rating, but also has no summer. But is much drier and unlike Auckland has probably managed to surpass 30.5C in the last 60 or so years. It's not that I don't like sunshine out of summer, I just happen to place a premium on summer sunshine. Auckland doesn't offer a sunny summer, even by pitiful British standards. Auckland would still compare to the sunniest UK locations, when allowing for latitude differences, and is also sunnier in some parts of the city, than the figures shown. Probably a different type of cloudiness than you're used to, with more convective buildup causing NZ to not be much sunnier in summer, than the rest of the year. Convective cloud is fine by me, because it creates more of a summer feeling than just blue skies. Like that "suburb" of Wellington you claimed had average highs of 24C, but actually turned out to he some hillbilly town 100 miles inland?  Even if what you say is true, I can only rate the climate box presented. If I wanted to go round an area picking and choosing the best features of distinct stations, then I'd go on City Data and talk to that Torshavn guy. |
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 30, 2017 15:52:42 GMT -5
Like that "suburb" of Wellington you claimed had average highs of 24C, but actually turned out to he some hillbilly town 100 miles inland? Even if what you say is true, I can only rate the climate box presented. If I wanted to go round an area picking and choosing the best features of distinct stations, then I'd go on City Data and talk to that Torshavn guy. Upper Hutt near Wellington is actually hidden between mountains at 41°S, so while near Wellington's cool harbour area, having 24°C avg summer highs in such a distinct valley at that latitude wouldn't surprise me one bit I only need to say "Eureka" and "Willow Creek" to recollect what sensational temp swings a little land can do on that latitude in summer. |
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Post by longaotian on Nov 30, 2017 15:58:04 GMT -5
I guess about the same, Dunedin has a higher TT rating, but also has no summer. But is much drier and unlike Auckland has probably managed to surpass 30.5C in the last 60 or so years. It's not that I don't like sunshine out of summer, I just happen to place a premium on summer sunshine. Auckland doesn't offer a sunny summer, even by pitiful British standards. Auckland is a large area, so there would be places that drop below freezing , and also get above 30C most years. Auckland would still compare to the sunniest UK locations, when allowing for latitude differences, and is also sunnier in some parts of the city, than the figures shown. Probably a different type of cloudiness than you're used to, with more convective buildup causing NZ to not be much sunnier in summer, than the rest of the year. Convective cloud is fine by me, because it creates more of a summer feeling than just blue skies. Yeah....in fact nearly all of the cloudy days we've had this month have been due to convective build ups and since we've got quite a few thunderstorms this month with heavy downpours that get over with in 10 minutes  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 21:29:59 GMT -5
Auckland is a large area, so there would be places that drop below freezing , and also get above 30C most years.Auckland would still compare to the sunniest UK locations, when allowing for latitude differences, and is also sunnier in some parts of the city, than the figures shown. Probably a different type of cloudiness than you're used to, with more convective buildup causing NZ to not be much sunnier in summer, than the rest of the year. Convective cloud is fine by me, because it creates more of a summer feeling than just blue skies. Like that "suburb" of Wellington you claimed had average highs of 24C, but actually turned out to he some hillbilly town 100 miles inland? Even if what you say is true, I can only rate the climate box presented. If I wanted to go round an area picking and choosing the best features of distinct stations, then I'd go on City Data and talk to that Torshavn guy. Masterton is only 50 miles away. A bit of a stretch,I will admit, but within Wellington authority limits. Clareville is even closer. Weatherbase shows 23C+ highs (the threshold I was using for Wellington proper), for several sites in the Hutt Valley. It's not about the best features of distinct station, but about having a good overview of an area. Auckland has a better summer than anywhere in the southern UK, and is about as sunny as the sunniest, without the dramatic drop off, as soon as summer ends. |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 1, 2017 2:11:13 GMT -5
Central Auckland has never gone below about 2C for decades. The numbers there could only be valid for an outlying area in a frost pocket. Sunshine hours ae too low, historically about 2120 with manual equipment and probably 2250+ measured electronically. Yeah why is it?, 2003 always seemd a bit low to me. I have seen other data with more recemt averages of about 2130, so I'm guessing an electronically measured station closer to the city/Hauraki Gulf would certainly read even higher. Two electronic stations are already recording in the range I suggested. |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 1, 2017 2:24:23 GMT -5
Like that "suburb" of Wellington you claimed had average highs of 24C, but actually turned out to he some hillbilly town 100 miles inland? Even if what you say is true, I can only rate the climate box presented. If I wanted to go round an area picking and choosing the best features of distinct stations, then I'd go on City Data and talk to that Torshavn guy. Upper Hutt near Wellington is actually hidden between mountains at 41°S, so while near Wellington's cool harbour area, having 24°C avg summer highs in such a distinct valley at that latitude wouldn't surprise me one bit I only need to say "Eureka" and "Willow Creek" to recollect what sensational temp swings a little land can do on that latitude in summer. Upper Hutt doesn't have confirmed averages for 1981-2010 but intercomparison with another site from older normals gives it an average Tmax of 22.5C in the warmest summer month. Nights of course are much cooler than near the coast. Since it is wetter and cloudier than Wellington city it has zero appeal to me. |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 1, 2017 2:25:44 GMT -5
Yeah why is it?, 2003 always seemd a bit low to me. I have seen other data with more recemt averages of about 2130, so I'm guessing an electronically measured station closer to the city/Hauraki Gulf would certainly read even higher. Two electronic stations are already recording in the range I suggested. You'd have to go to the Channel Islands to come near matching Auckland's regional sunshine - the UK mainland doesn't come very close. |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 1, 2017 2:32:27 GMT -5
Upper Hutt near Wellington is actually hidden between mountains at 41°S, so while near Wellington's cool harbour area, having 24°C avg summer highs in such a distinct valley at that latitude wouldn't surprise me one bit I only need to say "Eureka" and "Willow Creek" to recollect what sensational temp swings a little land can do on that latitude in summer. Upper Hutt doesn't have confirmed averages for 1981-2010 but intercomparison with another site from older normals gives it an average Tmax of 22.5C in the warmest summer month. Nights of course are much cooler than near the coast. Since it is wetter and cloudier than Wellington city it has zero appeal to me. When I was in Wellington, I was by the harbour near the CBD and it was clear skies and I looked North across towards the Lower Hutt and It was overcast and raining over there |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 3:07:39 GMT -5
Like that "suburb" of Wellington you claimed had average highs of 24C, but actually turned out to he some hillbilly town 100 miles inland? Even if what you say is true, I can only rate the climate box presented. If I wanted to go round an area picking and choosing the best features of distinct stations, then I'd go on City Data and talk to that Torshavn guy. Masterton is only 50 miles away. A bit of a stretch,I will admit, but within Wellington authority limits. Clareville is even closer. Weatherbase shows 23C+ highs (the threshold I was using for Wellington proper), for several sites in the Hutt Valley. It's not about the best features of distinct station, but about having a good overview of an area. Auckland has a better summer than anywhere in the southern UK, and is about as sunny as the sunniest, without the dramatic drop off, as soon as summer ends. To class somewhere 50 miles away as a "suburb" is indeed a stretch, and as I've said, Auckland has lower sunshine hours during the warmer months than a bunch of coastal places in southern England. That's poor in my view, since even the sunniest UK climates have cloudy summers. Auckland on average has better summer days than anywhere in the UK, but also has less heat potential. Even London usually offers a few decent >30C days every year. |
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