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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 15:38:24 GMT -5
Hastings would do me. Very nice.
Although if I lived in NZ, I would probably live on the South Island, it has arguably the best landscape in the world.
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 2, 2017 16:08:00 GMT -5
Hastings would do me. Very nice. Although if I lived in NZ, I would probably live on the South Island, it has arguably the best landscape in the world. Hastings is OK, though nearby Havelock North is a much pleasanter place. However Napier has better coastal scenery, more sun, fresher air and overall a slightly higher mean temperature. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 16:30:29 GMT -5
Hastings would do me. Very nice. Although if I lived in NZ, I would probably live on the South Island, it has arguably the best landscape in the world. Hastings is OK, though nearby Havelock North is a much pleasanter place. However Napier has better coastal scenery, more sun, fresher air and overall a slightly higher mean temperature. Hastings definitely has a better climate towards my preference. Warmer summers, colder winters, but I'm unsure about sunshine hours. Napier looks like the best town, with the best coastline, whereas Havelock North has the best mountainous scenery. |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 16:54:37 GMT -5
East Auckland sounds ideal, in particular if it's drier  Warmer winters mind. Auckland is only very slightly warmer in the winters compares to Tauranga, but quite a bit less sunny annually and wetter too Yes but he was referring to the eastern side of Auckland, which is dryer than Tauranga |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 16:58:39 GMT -5
Hastings would do me. Very nice. Although if I lived in NZ, I would probably live on the South Island, it has arguably the best landscape in the world. I agree. Temperature wise, Hastings has the best climate in NZ imo, I especially like the warm summer days and cool winter mornings. |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 17:00:06 GMT -5
Hastings is OK, though nearby Havelock North is a much pleasanter place. However Napier has better coastal scenery, more sun, fresher air and overall a slightly higher mean temperature. Hastings definitely has a better climate towards my preference. Warmer summers, colder winters, but I'm unsure about sunshine hours. Napier looks like the best town, with the best coastline, whereas Havelock North has the best mountainous scenery. There was a new site installed around Napier, I'm not 100% sure but I think it's recording around the 2200-2400 hours maybe. |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 2, 2017 17:48:54 GMT -5
Hastings definitely has a better climate towards my preference. Warmer summers, colder winters, but I'm unsure about sunshine hours. Napier looks like the best town, with the best coastline, whereas Havelock North has the best mountainous scenery. There was a new site installed around Napier, I'm not 100% sure but I think it's recording around the 2200-2400 hours maybe. Napier installation recent - indicating around the 2400 hours mark. Definitely sunnier than Hastings/Havelock. |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 2, 2017 17:54:33 GMT -5
There was a new site installed around Napier, I'm not 100% sure but I think it's recording around the 2200-2400 hours maybe. Napier installation recent - indicating around the 2400 hours mark. Definitely sunnier than Hastings/Havelock. I have already posted here - or maybe it was in CD - that Napier has a higher Tmean than Hastings year round - the summer minima are sufficiently higher to more than cancel the Tmaxs. Hastings/Havelock are more prone to convective cloud buildups - that area is one of NZ's "hail corridors". Oops - meant that as an edit ... |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 2, 2017 18:11:55 GMT -5
Auckland is only very slightly warmer in the winters compares to Tauranga, but quite a bit less sunny annually and wetter too Yes but he was referring to the eastern side of Auckland, which is dryer than Tauranga Still rains considerably more often than in Tauranga let alone Whakatane which trumps Tauranga anyway - sunnier and drier. Have posted on that before - probably on CD. |
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Post by Babu on Dec 2, 2017 21:38:21 GMT -5
Yes but he was referring to the eastern side of Auckland, which is dryer than Tauranga Still rains considerably more often than in Tauranga let alone Whakatane which trumps Tauranga anyway - sunnier and drier. Have posted on that before - probably on CD. Yeah, Whakatane has like 40% more precipitation and like 100h less sunshine |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 22:13:03 GMT -5
Still rains considerably more often than in Tauranga let alone Whakatane which trumps Tauranga anyway - sunnier and drier. Have posted on that before - probably on CD. Yeah, Whakatane has like 40% more precipitation and like 100h less sunshine I think you misunderstood, Whakatane is better than Tauranga, sunnier and dryer like rwood said. That Wikipedia climate table is far from being accurate. The average sunshine in Whakatane just in the past 5 years is about 2600-2700 hours just by looking at the annual reports. = Whakatāne has frequently recorded the highest annual sunshine hours in New Zealand (year and respective sunshine hours shown below); 2008 - 2703hrs 2010 - 2561hrs 2012 - 2602hrs 2013 - 2792hrs 2014 - 2710hrs 2015 - 2785hrs |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 22:31:53 GMT -5
Yeah, Whakatane has like 40% more precipitation and like 100h less sunshine I think you misunderstood, Whakatane is better than Tauranga, sunnier and dryer like rwood said. That Wikipedia climate table is far from being accurate. The average sunshine in Whakatane just in the past 5 years is about 2600-2700 hours just by looking at the annual reports. = Whakatāne has frequently recorded the highest annual sunshine hours in New Zealand (year and respective sunshine hours shown below); 2008 - 2703hrs 2010 - 2561hrs 2012 - 2602hrs 2013 - 2792hrs 2014 - 2710hrs 2015 - 2785hrs Don't be paying any attention to those figures -each of those years exceeded Whakatane's old record under the previous standardised recording system. Whakatane has become fakatane |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 22:58:13 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood, Whakatane is better than Tauranga, sunnier and dryer like rwood said. That Wikipedia climate table is far from being accurate. The average sunshine in Whakatane just in the past 5 years is about 2600-2700 hours just by looking at the annual reports. = Whakatāne has frequently recorded the highest annual sunshine hours in New Zealand (year and respective sunshine hours shown below); 2008 - 2703hrs 2010 - 2561hrs 2012 - 2602hrs 2013 - 2792hrs 2014 - 2710hrs 2015 - 2785hrs Don't be paying any attention to those figures -each of those years exceeded Whakatane's old record under the previous standardised recording system. Whakatane has become fakatane I have been suspicious. But still, I wouldn't imagine fakatane would be cloudier then Tauranga |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 2, 2017 23:52:35 GMT -5
Whakatane is nonetheless sunnier beyond any doubt. I covered this in a thread in CD a while back. Even with down adjustments it beats Tauranga, and for the period 1957-1990 with manual sites it was consistently ahead. Ironically, there was a period of manual readings at Tauranga later on that were too high. The latest twist is that Tauranga has been reading too low - when it goes to electronic measurement there's no doubt Whakatane will be ahead of it still. Problem is that sun data is not scientifically important and being consistent with the instruments and environment requires quite a bit of intervention. There are very few sites that have not had problems at some point in their history.
I also covered the rainfall issue in that thread. I get rather tired of people making assertions without knowing all the background. Wainui is not representative of Whakatane.
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 3, 2017 0:07:10 GMT -5
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Post by Babu on Dec 3, 2017 0:31:30 GMT -5
You seem to be the only one in the world with this data and you get upset when people don't know about your data. So why don't you make new weatherboxes? |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 3, 2017 1:15:37 GMT -5
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Post by longaotian on Dec 3, 2017 1:17:56 GMT -5
You seem to be the only one in the world with this data and you get upset when people don't know about your data. So why don't you make new weatherboxes? I think if you go further east in the Bay of Plenty, it will be dryer and sunnier as a general rule |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 3, 2017 4:50:18 GMT -5
You seem to be the only one in the world with this data and you get upset when people don't know about your data. So why don't you make new weatherboxes? I have better things to do with my time. And as I made plain earlier, I've seen it all - and I mean it literally. Every periodical - monthly and annual summaries and statistics, normal and averages publications, every paper on climate or weather published by NIWA or MetService in libraries (this latter subject to a bit of time lag though), etc. I have been a member of NZ's Meteorological Society since its inception in 1979. I have more constructive things to do however than arguing about facts with people who aren't aware of them. On various occasions I have alerted staff at NIWA and predecessors about incipient site problems or anomalies. Meanwhile: Wikipedia is not a primary source of information. |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 3, 2017 4:51:16 GMT -5
Looked like the same guy was arguing over at CD... and I'm sick of these validation discussions anyway. Refer previous post. |
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Warmer winters mind.