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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 20:22:53 GMT -5
I would think an image search for either area, is not representative -easy to think it's 70% blue skies in both places. A google search for Motueka shows even less, when I thinks it's more convective than Auckland.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 20:27:14 GMT -5
I would sure like to see a summer in NZ myself some time, so I can experience it myself rather than going on what people say, though only the northern parts of the south island or the north island would be warm enough for my liking.
Somewhere like Auckland is an easy winner compared with where I live now, and I'd live there over better areas of the UK just for the milder sunnier winters. I certainly think its climate is more boring around the year without a doubt than southern UK, what with lac of temperature variation, fewer storms and snow opportunities. But that would be a small price to pay to be more comfortable. Still its weak summers and boringness means it can't better a D+ for me. For comparison, I give SE England a D- rating typically.
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 0:12:33 GMT -5
Is the Pacific side facing the endless sea significantly warmer than the side facing Australia during summer? I assume the westerlies over the ocean get warmed up travelling over the UHI?... Nope -the west coast is warmer, all the time. ?? If your talking about Auckland then no, the eastern side is always warmer and dryer in summer, most months actually |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 0:38:18 GMT -5
I would sure like to see a summer in NZ myself some time, so I can experience it myself rather than going on what people say, though only the northern parts of the south island or the north island would be warm enough for my liking. Somewhere like Auckland is an easy winner compared with where I live now, and I'd live there over better areas of the UK just for the milder sunnier winters. I certainly think its climate is more boring around the year without a doubt than southern UK, what with lac of temperature variation, fewer storms and snow opportunities. But that would be a small price to pay to be more comfortable. Still its weak summers and boringness means it can't better a D+ for me. For comparison, I give SE England a D- rating typically. I live in Auckland and a common pattern on a summer day here is, lots of convection and cb developing to the north and south of the city while the metro area itself stays mostly clear due to being away from the hills/close to the coasts, that is however if the sea breeze convergence zone develops right over the city often leading to localised rain/thunderstorms. If it's windy enough, this won't happen as the wind from either coast will not let the sea breezes develop. |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 0:40:37 GMT -5
On a map the NIWA had posted regarding sunshine in Auckland, 2000h was actually just the sunniest tiny area. 90% of the city was in the 1800-1900h range. Any map implying that is garbage. I have sun data for all NZ sites going right back to the early 1900s. Central Auckland historically averaged - on manual equipment - over several sites - about 2120 hours. The MOTAT city location using electronic means is averaging at least 2250, ditto for Albany in the northwest. Where do you get this sun data from? Where the sun data for Auckland is recorded is located on the cloudier side of the city, the Central & Northern/Eastern areas are sunnier quite often. |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 0:47:49 GMT -5
Is the Pacific side facing the endless sea significantly warmer than the side facing Australia during summer? I assume the westerlies over the ocean get warmed up travelling over the UHI?... Yes, the Eastern/Pacific side is generally warmer and dryer throughout majority of the year. The western side can be very wet, with some western suburbs in the hills averaging above 2000mm I think, the driest locations out East average somewhere around 800mm. The Pacific side is also sunnier. |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 2, 2017 1:59:48 GMT -5
Any map implying that is garbage. I have sun data for all NZ sites going right back to the early 1900s. Central Auckland historically averaged - on manual equipment - over several sites - about 2120 hours. The MOTAT city location using electronic means is averaging at least 2250, ditto for Albany in the northwest. Where do you get this sun data from? Where the sun data for Auckland is recorded is located on the cloudier side of the city, the Central & Northern/Eastern areas are sunnier quite often. One source - the monthly statistics tables from NIWA and its predecessor organisations, which have been published in some outlet or other since the 1850s (it would take a few paragraphs to give all the detail on that). They have been online from 2009, printed before that (I have the printed versions going back to 1955, they ceased after 2008). If you go to the link below you'll see for a given month (October stats running a bit late - on several occasions I have had to remind them to provide the link) both a summary report and a stats. table. I also have copies of older publications like period normals and yearly summaries and have read all the publications/periodicals NIWA, Metservice and predecessors stored in the public libraries. NIWA's Cliflo database interface allows you to search for stations in a region and a variety of stats. Incidentally I have all the monthly sunshine totals for all years for all stations, except that I have now junked some of the oldest unreliable ones. www.niwa.co.nz/climate/monthlycliflo.niwa.co.nz/ |
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Post by Lommaren on Dec 2, 2017 4:40:57 GMT -5
Yes, the Eastern/Pacific side is generally warmer and dryer throughout majority of the year. The western side can be very wet, with some western suburbs in the hills averaging above 2000mm I think, the driest locations out East average somewhere around 800mm. The Pacific side is also sunnier. What about a UHI, does it exist there or not?  I'd imagine downtown leaning slightly east is the place most likely to see hot temps and probably summer avg highs above 24°C with ease? Also, do you know for certain where that weather station is located in Auckland? |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 2, 2017 4:59:55 GMT -5
Of the Auckland sites with 1981-2010 normals computed, Henderson on the western flanks of the city has the highest summer Tmax average, but Albert Park in the city has the highest annual Tmean and summer Tmean.
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 5:27:11 GMT -5
Yes, the Eastern/Pacific side is generally warmer and dryer throughout majority of the year. The western side can be very wet, with some western suburbs in the hills averaging above 2000mm I think, the driest locations out East average somewhere around 800mm. The Pacific side is also sunnier. What about a UHI, does it exist there or not? I'd imagine downtown leaning slightly east is the place most likely to see hot temps and probably summer avg highs above 24°C with ease? Also, do you know for certain where that weather station is located in Auckland? The weather station in this thread is located in Mangere, in South-West Auckland. The warmest month in Auckland is February with an average high of 25.6C in Henderson. Where I live in the eastern side has an average high of 25.1C in February and where the main weather station is located is literally surrounded by water on all sides in the Manukau harbour and because of this has an average high of only 23.8C. Yes I imagine downtown would average 24C or slightly above  |
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Post by Lommaren on Dec 2, 2017 5:29:06 GMT -5
The weather station in this thread is located in Mangere, in South-West Auckland. The warmest month in Auckland is February with an average high of 25.6C in Henderson. Where I live in the eastern side has an average high an average high of 25.1C in February and where the main weather station is located is literally surrounded by water on all sides in the Manukau harbour and because of this has an average high of only 23.8C. Yes I imagine downtown would average 24C or slightly above Laxer immigration laws on Europeans than Australia too, right? I'm tempted. |
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 5:42:38 GMT -5
Where do you get this sun data from? Where the sun data for Auckland is recorded is located on the cloudier side of the city, the Central & Northern/Eastern areas are sunnier quite often. One source - the monthly statistics tables from NIWA and its predecessor organisations, which have been published in some outlet or other since the 1850s (it would take a few paragraphs to give all the detail on that). They have been online from 2009, printed before that (I have the printed versions going back to 1955, they ceased after 2008). If you go to the link below you'll see for a given month (October stats running a bit late - on several occasions I have had to remind them to provide the link) both a summary report and a stats. table. I also have copies of older publications like period normals and yearly summaries and have read all the publications/periodicals NIWA, Metservice and predecessors stored in the public libraries. NIWA's Cliflo database interface allows you to search for stations in a region and a variety of stats. Incidentally I have all the monthly sunshine totals for all years for all stations, except that I have now junked some of the oldest unreliable ones. www.niwa.co.nz/climate/monthlycliflo.niwa.co.nz/Ok thanks  because when I recently looked at NIWA monthly summaries, they only dated back to October 2001 with limited data, and their annual reports only went as far back as 2000. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 14:12:58 GMT -5
Nope -the west coast is warmer, all the time. ?? If your talking about Auckland then no, the eastern side is always warmer and dryer in summer, most months actually I was talking about NZ as a whole, which is warmer on the west coasts. |
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Post by Babu on Dec 2, 2017 14:18:14 GMT -5
The weather station in this thread is located in Mangere, in South-West Auckland. The warmest month in Auckland is February with an average high of 25.6C in Henderson. Where I live in the eastern side has an average high an average high of 25.1C in February and where the main weather station is located is literally surrounded by water on all sides in the Manukau harbour and because of this has an average high of only 23.8C. Yes I imagine downtown would average 24C or slightly above Laxer immigration laws on Europeans than Australia too, right? I'm tempted. Surely Tauranga is even better? And perhaps even Blenheim or Hastings? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 14:45:17 GMT -5
Blenheim and Hastings are exposed to the east, so can get 30C one day, followed by an 19C day, the next day -the best climates have more of a westerly influence imo.
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Post by longaotian on Dec 2, 2017 14:57:49 GMT -5
Blenheim and Hastings are exposed to the east, so can get 30C one day, followed by an 19C day, the next day -the best climates have more of a westerly influence imo. I don't like the lack of extremes on the western side. I think places around Hastings or Blenheim have the Better climates although I prefer the higher rainfall further west. |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 2, 2017 14:58:25 GMT -5
Blenheim and Hastings are exposed to the east, so can get 30C one day, followed by an 19C day, the next day -the best climates have more of a westerly influence imo. I'll take Blenheim. I prefer the lower rainfall than that experienced in Nelson/Tasman. And of course its sunshine matches or exceeds any other locale. Regarding the east coast - west coast thing, doesn't apply to Taranaki vs Hawkes Bay - Napier is warmer than New Plymouth but slightly south of it. This map is too small to show differences clearly ... www.niwa.co.nz/climate/national-and-regional-climate-maps/nationalIn the 1980s Met Service produced some large maps - I must dig them out. |
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Post by rwood2 on Dec 2, 2017 15:09:43 GMT -5
One source - the monthly statistics tables from NIWA and its predecessor organisations, which have been published in some outlet or other since the 1850s (it would take a few paragraphs to give all the detail on that). They have been online from 2009, printed before that (I have the printed versions going back to 1955, they ceased after 2008). If you go to the link below you'll see for a given month (October stats running a bit late - on several occasions I have had to remind them to provide the link) both a summary report and a stats. table. I also have copies of older publications like period normals and yearly summaries and have read all the publications/periodicals NIWA, Metservice and predecessors stored in the public libraries. NIWA's Cliflo database interface allows you to search for stations in a region and a variety of stats. Incidentally I have all the monthly sunshine totals for all years for all stations, except that I have now junked some of the oldest unreliable ones. www.niwa.co.nz/climate/monthlycliflo.niwa.co.nz/Ok thanks because when I recently looked at NIWA monthly summaries, they only dated back to October 2001 with limited data, and their annual reports only went as far back as 2000. Unfortunately NIWA starting charging a significant amount for the monthly printed reports after the Met-NIWA split came into existence. Those reports from about 1988-2008 are probably not in public libraries. The monthly ones up to about 1987 (as I recall) appeared as part (a supplement) of the government publication "The NZ Gazette", going back to about 1928. Prior to that a different gov't publication had the monthly reports - Statistics of New Zealand, or a similar name. Also there used to be annual summaries in a publication "Meteorological Observations for <year>", 1928-1987. You could probably locate all of these in the public library, plus the pre-1928 stuff, but few people would bother doing so these days. The dates given here may not be completely accurate. |
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Post by Lommaren on Dec 2, 2017 15:14:22 GMT -5
Surely Tauranga is even better? And perhaps even Blenheim or Hastings? East Auckland sounds ideal, in particular if it's drier Warmer winters mind. |
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Post by Babu on Dec 2, 2017 15:17:49 GMT -5
Surely Tauranga is even better? And perhaps even Blenheim or Hastings? East Auckland sounds ideal, in particular if it's drier Warmer winters mind. Auckland is only very slightly warmer in the winters compares to Tauranga, but quite a bit less sunny annually and wetter too |
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because when I recently looked at NIWA monthly summaries, they only dated back to October 2001 with limited data, and their annual reports only went as far back as 2000.